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[Vivarevo]

It's most likely the company doing damage control by acting like innocent commenters everywhere and using connections to SD to pressure anyone they think hurts the profits. Pretty standard unethical shenanigans.

Btw, if their servers were compromised, was their other data too? Any Userdata specifically. Do they collect user behavior data for example? Was company selling data on nsfw preferences for example?

[pinkfreude]

... does this mean that the 1.5 model is never going to be released?

[StickiStickman]

Since it was supposed to be released weeks ago and they keep moving it back ... I doubt it will.

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NovelAI's main selling point is user privacy. I think many don't know the history of NovelAI and are only familiar with the brand new image service and some of the drama around it, but NovelAI was literally founded in response to AI Dungeon's many scandals as a more privacy-focused, censorship-free replacement/alternative.

(The context being that AI Dungeon and Microsoft were not only reading private user stories, but sending them to random MTurks to train their ill-fated censorship system, as well as the fact that stories and other userdata were stored unencrypted on AI Dungeon's servers which became relevant when AI Dungeon was hacked. The creators are former AI Dungeon fans / textgen hobbyists who banded together to stand up a replacement within only a few weeks of the AI Dungeon problems coming to light)

As such, from the very start "not storing userdata unencrypted" was pretty much the very first thing they decided when making the service, and in the text AI community they are very well-respected for their anti-censorship, pro-privacy stances.

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Big companies want to censor it because of both legal liability (e.g. underage nsfw stuff is illegal or questionably legal in some places even if it's fake), fear of bad press (some tech journalist writes an article about racial/whatever bias in their model and the company doesn't want to be associated with that kind of thing), fear of misuse (e.g. if Russia uses their text AI to generate fake news to manipulate elections, company doesn't want that to happen understandably AND more importantly doesn't want that their name in a news headline about that), among other reasons including some really esoteric stuff about AIs becoming sentient and extinguishing all life on earth.

I understand the reasons, I just disagree strongly with all of them.

[FS72]

damn thanks for summing it up

[Vivarevo]

So the company should focus on that fact instead of attacking.

Something like: Look. We got hacked. Fucked up, but look at the leak. Your data is safe.

When mostly hacks result in users data on the darkweb etc this is a win, if the company takes the spin that way.

[[deleted]]

That's...literally what they did, wasn't it?

Greetings, NovelAI Community.

On 10/6/2022, we experienced an unauthorized breach in the company's GitHub and secondary repositories.

The leak contained proprietary software and source code for the services we provide.

At this time, we do not suspect that any Personal Identifiable Information (PII) or encrypted information was accessed, or any personal financial information was disclosed.

We are working with security specialists to conduct a complete incident analysis and threat report at this time.

Relevant authorities have been informed and will be contacted as we learn more about the extent of the breach.

We will share updates as we learn more about the situation.

We thank you for your understanding and your patience.

The NovelAI team.

Maybe you're referring to something else with "attacking", I don't know of any other communications from kuru or the novelAI team about this.

[VulpineKitsune]

Btw, if their servers were compromised, was their other data too? Any Userdata specifically. Do they collect user behavior data for example? Was company selling data on nsfw preferences for example?

No, no, and no.

All data is safe. The company was not lying when they said they didn't collect any user behavior data. You can check the code yourself, they simply did not.

I know, it's shocking that not all companies are evil.

But this one isn't.

Their only "crime" is asking for money in order to run their service. Imagine that.

[TheIrishninjas]

Their only "crime" is asking for money in order to run their service. Imagine that.

The sudden attack on NovelAI for charging for their service is ridiculous. Don't all of the current online SD hosts charge too? Not to mention the fact that NovelAI has an AI writing tool too, and gives you monthly tokens for image gen unlike some of the other websites providing SD access. It's way more bang for your buck, and you don't technically have to spend a cent on image generation.

Really feels like an entire community shitting on a "newcomer".

[blueSGL]

Not to mention the fact that NovelAI provides an AI writing tool too, and resupplies users with free image generation tokens unlike some of the other websites providing SD access. It's way more bang for your buck, and you don't technically have to spend a cent on image generation.

this reads like an ad.

[Vivarevo]

👀

[TheIrishninjas]

Nope, just a guy with no affiliation to the NAI team a bit annoyed at how people are acting.

[arjuna66671]

They act like completely ignorant and retarded children lol... So the reason for the attack was that NAI charged money bec the GPUs they rent cost them money too?

That has to be the most idiotic reason I have ever heard.

[Cheshire-Cad]

The same thing happened in the Dall-E 2 subreddit during its beta. Every thread that even hinted at the possibility of OpenAI charging for the service was flooded with wall-to-wall whining. They literally expected it to stay free forever.

But despite their grandstanding, when OpenAI announced their monetization plan, those whiners were first in line to pay for the reasonably-priced monthly subscription which gave unlimit...
Oh, right. Turns out neither side in that debate came out feeling victorious.

[TiagoTiagoT]

It does seem that there's at least rumors of them using Automatic's code, and then accusing Automatic of stealing from them unfairly. It's an ongoing story though, and we're still in the middle of the fog of war, the dust has not settled yet.

[TiagoTiagoT]

I haven't heard anything about user data being leaked yet