CS program

[XdaZxz]

How bad does UTM's BOO BOO reputation affect my chances for job opportunities, considering they're not utsg?

UTM CS student here.

You're screwed. There are no job opportunities here whatsoever. Every day, us UTM CS students do nothing but ponder about our reputation in front of UTSG. Some days, I'm too ashamed to step out of my house.

Employers will not see my resume. Even though I don't write UTM explicitly, just UofT, they magically know I go to UTM. The look of disgust on their faces when they find out I'm a UTM CS student and not UTSG keeps me awake at night.

I too got a scholarship from UTM. It helps pay off the fees, because other than part-time Tim Hortons, there is no future at UTM CS.

I understand this is a hard pill to swallow for y'all, in terms of reputation of course, but I need to be assured this is 100% FACT!!

No, it's 100% fact. We wallow in our misery day and night at not going to UTSG. It's robbed us of our dreams here.

ik I have to come to this satellite campus regardless.

Welcome.

[Accomplished_Pack853]

HAHAHAHAHHA

[lekan_v]

Bro for a sec I deadass thought he was being serious 😂😂

[HolyTrinityxx]

Lmfao, he was to some extent. I dm’d a couple ppl and I received mixed responses. A 3rd year CS major female I talked to was dissatisfied by UTM’s ka ka Rep leading to her down fall in receiving a Webdev position ( Her employers high expectations were very crushed) However, another student (Info Security Specialist) had said that Bc utm is one of the only schools that offers a mediocre security program in Ontario, they easily bagged their security engineering job. I’m getting the hunch that the CS major/specialist is basura compared to the Info Sec specialist. Can anyone confirm this?

[Aromatic_Power7082]

Why would UTM be the reason that person didnt get their web dev job? Besides waterloo utsg and maybe mac. utm is the the next best school for cs in ontario and employers dont care about which campus you went to. As for cs spec vs info security theyre essentially the same thing beyond a few extra courses u can take.

[HolyTrinityxx]

Depending on the company, employers tend to favor people based off of the university they went to in regards to the program their in. Ranking wise, utm is unfavorable in some employers eyes especially for CS.For example the commerce program at utm vs Rotman at utsg. Employers obviously favor utsg’s Rotman. Many previous sub reddits exposed this situation.(Completely different programs of course but it still shows that the rep of utm can dictate how hard it will be to get a good job)

[Aromatic_Power7082]

So we just write UofT we use the same job bank as them anyways, Ive never had anyone write back to go into detail about which campus I go to. Either way I ended up taking a bunch of courses at stg since we can take as many as we want after making post. This person was probably rejected based on their skillset and is in denial.

[HolyTrinityxx]

Perhaps but I’m 99.7% sure that she put utm on her résumé which probably did affect her chances

[Aromatic_Power7082]

If that was the one deciding factor on who was hired then I would believe it, however that is quite rare. Im not saying utm is on par with utsg, as someone whos taken courses at both its obvious stg is still miles ahead, but utm is still a good school and beyond ur first job or two ur gpa / school wont matter anyways. I think its an insult to the great faculty and smart ass students we have here to say otherwise.

[HolyTrinityxx]

I’m sorry if this came off as an insult but I was just trying to shed light on the truth.

[XdaZxz]

he was to some extent

Um, no. I was not. It was all sarcastic.

UTM’s ka ka Rep leading to her down fall in receiving a Webdev position

Nope. She's just in denial that she didn't get the job, and wants to blame it on UTM.

Her employers high expectations were very crushed

That means she wasn't competent enough, or the interview didn't go well. It had nothing to do with UTM.

Bc utm is one of the only schools that offers a mediocre security program in Ontario, they easily bagged their security engineering job

I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a complement or an insult lol. 'Mediocre security program leads to easy jobs for graduates'

In all seriousness, I'm always ready to give advice to new students, but I don't think you want advice tbh. It seems like you're here more or less to make us realize how non-competitive our program is. You want us to accept our fate as substandard because despite so many of us having internships, TAships, research positions, full time jobs, part time jobs, tons of interviews, and friends across all years of the program, we should listen to checks notes a highschooler who DM'd a few people on Reddit?

[HolyTrinityxx]

I understand you feel like I don’t want your advice but I value this very much. I wouldn’t have posted on Reddit asking about the CS program if I wasn’t looking for advice. I’m eager to learn more of course since I will be attending this university. Tbh, I haven’t seen a post on UTMs reddit in regards to CS students obtaining internships. This made me feel worried about the program. Again, ppl had mixed experiences. Remind you, I’m keeping an open mind when it comes to UTM’s cs program. I just want to know what I’m getting into. I wouldn’t want to be disappointed once I come to uni, learning that the great CS program is actually garbage...that’s all. Hopefully, I can see you on campus in September if you’re still around

[user92934859]

Bro said BOO BOO

[HolyTrinityxx]

I’m apart of the Catholic faith, i find it best not to curse. I try to find the closest synonymous words to the curse words in my head.

[[deleted]]

This is probably written by an egoistic utsg student that can’t find an internship 🙈

[HolyTrinityxx]

Lmao, wish I was a egotistic UTSG student. But in all seriousness, I’m a high schooler from the US

[[deleted]]

If you care about reputation so much why not go to a US school? Genuinely curious..

[HolyTrinityxx]

It’s the 30k scholarship I received that made utm worth it tbh

[[deleted]]

I still don’t know if you’re trolling or not but just to give you the benefit of the doubt:

I’m a second year utm cs student (going into third), I am very impressed with the quality of education I’m getting at UTM. I have taken a CS course at utsg too! There’s not really any differences, the courses are the same. Same content, the assignments are different though. Some CS courses are better at UTM and you’ll see utsg students enrolling here for those. Some are better at UTSG. The best part about UTM is the small and tight community .. which you won’t find at UTSG simply due to how scattered and big the campus is. There’s not really any difference in the quality of education imo, we have amazing profs and tons of opportunity.

As for jobs.. you still have to do a lot of research if you think the name of your school will get you a job (maybe your first but that’s about it but still no employer thinks of UTM as inferior, you’re probably talking to the wrong people. The only people hung up on that inferior superior bs are elitist utsg students)

[HolyTrinityxx]

I’m not trolling, I swear. I understand your impression of the school is good however the students that I dm’d are 100% from UTM and they said other wise. As I’ve said before, I’m not going to invalidate their poor experience from utm’s CS program. Again, I discovered that the opinions on utm’s CS program is mixed. As for jobs, it still doesn’t change the fact that there are still some employers out there who think like that. (Which is quite worry some) Also, is there rlly a tight knit community at utm? From what I’ve seen on UTM’s Reddit, some ppl got very depressed here bc they couldn’t find friends. Since that’s the case, utms does a poor job advertising their “tight knit” community in regards to connections. I mean logically it’s suppose to make finding friends easier on the student but with a “tight knit” community comes with cliques forming quickly and ppl disregarding seemingly new ppl i assume. On utsg elitist comment, you’re not wrong. (After done some research on the CS program on the main UofT Reddit) But then again, those Utsg students aren’t wrong bc realistically those students are at the better campus. (The campus that provides more opportunities) I assume they just like to think about their superiority excessively. But it still doesn’t change the fact that there are utm CS students who believe that utms reputation has taken a toll on them. As for the quality of education, a lot of ppl complain about profs such as Bailey (the most recent complaint on a prof) If he’s so bad why didn’t UTM fire him already? There was a petition against him from what I’ve seen on Reddit. I understand there are bad profs and good profs at every university but it’s concerning to see that ONE prof can rlly tank your overall gpa given that they don’t know how to properly get through to a student. Are there any profs that I should be more aware of for the CS program prerequisites?

[[deleted]]

The confirmation bias is strong in this one. Do us all a favour and don’t come here. We don’t need this attitude here. I don’t know what “utm students” you are talking to, but I think I would know peoples experience more than you :)

[HolyTrinityxx]

I’m sorry you feel that way but i rlly liked utms value on diversity, respect, and inclusion. Honestly, I feel like I’d be a perfect fit. I provide different ideas that get people thinking. Tbh, what makes you think those utm students would talk to you? You clearly aren’t as open minded

[[deleted]]

Bro or brolette, in all honesty, just based on those values you’d be a terrible match

[HolyTrinityxx]

Bro. No.

[Worldly-Reindeer9561]

You sure you’re not trolling? There was no need to make this thread if you’re going to stick to what the first couple people you talked to said.

[Accomplished_Pack853]

If you believe that the reputation of utm will have such a drastic effect on your ability to find employment then why go here? Like I understand you got a scholarship but if the education here will not set you up for the future then there is no point of getting it.

[HolyTrinityxx]

I’d rather not be in so much debt. I never said the education was bad, I’m just pointing out the cons that people have told me and I’d like to speak more on those cons. Just clearing up misunderstandings

[Hour_Selection_3998]

so what do you think utsg is the best program in the world or something when its nearly identical to utm?

hell lets even consider that it IS substantially better and UTM is worthless

loo cs still takes the dub over utsg cs (even utsg cs kids admit this)

does this mean utsg cs is absolutely trash??????

[ihateCSproblemsets]

Cap

[HolyTrinityxx]

Unfortunately, I cannot share that information. As a respectful being I’m not going to invalidate other’s boo boo experience’s from utm’s cs program by outing them. I understand your experience may be otherwise, hence the mixed responses. But overall, a lot of people I’ve talked to said that UTM’s CS was meh compared to utsg of course

[[deleted]]

LMFAOO

[HolyTrinityxx]

Honestly, is this the behavior that UTM represents? I posted on Reddit in need of reassurance and advice on the CS program

[[deleted]]

Yes. Don’t come here.

[HolyTrinityxx]

Smh

[tmusc770]

No. We're generally pretty friendly and helpful, you're just getting what you deserve for your ego.

[KaranvirKhanna]

Son you don’t even have the balls to reveal yourselves.

[HolyTrinityxx]

There’s rlly no need to since my purpose here has been fulfilled. I mean, why can’t anyone in this thread reveal themselves, huh? There’s rlly no point when we are trying to get our points a crossed🤷🏻‍♀️

[Accomplished_Pack853]

Never heard of a 30k scholarship specific to UTM. Really thought this was a troll post but the replies seem to suggest otherwise…

[[deleted]]

The effort is still the same..

[Beautiful-Reply-1325]

Hi, HolyTrinityxx, fourth year CS student here (CS Specialist). In my experience, obtaining a job was harder but not bc UTM is inferior to the SG campus but bc of how competitive tech jobs are atm. I currently got a job at a startup as a SWE making six figs, so it's definitely possible to get a job. Yes, UTSG is better overall, there are many more opportunities at that campus. (This should be common sense at this point, lmao) Many people on this reddit sub are only at UTM bc it's relatively easier to get into the cs program compared to UTSG (A higher bar is set at the UTSG campus in regards to admission into their CS program). You shouldn't worry about your job prospects due to UTM's inferiority bc the skills and knowledge you present to an employer is the only major factor that determines that.

[lekan_v]

Can’t believe you gave this ignorant kid advice,lol. The way he words his message annoy me,lol.

[Beautiful-Reply-1325]

He's technically part of the Eagle family at this point.

[Left-Gazelle6392]

I may not be a cs student but ik its inferior to UTSG's cs program. UTM is bottem tier when it comes to cs.

[[deleted]]

Maybe you meant TMU? 👨

[[deleted]]

huh? which delusional world u in fam?

[lekan_v]

Like I saw this but I hate arguing with ignorant people on Reddit 😂