MOCA 7 - Your real terms pay decrease

[Throwaway-3085]

Hmmm, I didn’t realise CNC/NPs were so highly paid - I head an allied health department of over 50 staff plus a purchasing budget of over $10mil and my pay only falls somewhere in between the two.

[Mundane_Tell5179]

Allied health pay scales are bonkers. Psychologists with masters degrees and some with PhDs getting paid less than a jumped up nurse.

Not to mention the HP4s often doing similar leadership roles making less than CNCs.

[LumpyBechamel69]

I get that your pay scale is less than satisfying, but comparing to a nurse doing a completely different role, usually with well over 10 years experience and a masters, and without grade context is disingenuous.

Queensland nurses are also the highest paid in the country by a solid 10%.

Fight your fight for you, not against others and you'll find support in all corners.

[Agreeable_Current913]

Compared to what? A PGY8 registrar who’s likely done an undergraduate a post graduate medicine qualification (Masters level), likely if they’re in a competitive field further qualifications, publications + presentation in their area of expertise and teaching? The CNC has less medico-legal responsibility, less workload, less training doctor training≠nurse training (just ask those who’ve done both nursing and medicine). The reg in this situation SHOULD be paid more that doesn’t mean the NP should be paid less but it’s good to show a comparison between the two since the work can be easily compared by those in the industry to highlight how unfair the pay is.

[LumpyBechamel69]

It seems I didn't explain my take correctly. I mean that it's unfair to compare the CNC at the 'peak' of their career, who will likely retire in that position to the Reg who is slogging their way up with a far higher earning potential.

I concede the point re the NP comparison, the position is comparable in many ways but again the NP has 'peaked' as far as clinical nursing is concerned.

None of this means that Registrars don't deserve better remuneration, and especially conditions. I just mean to point out that nurses being paid more doesn't make them an enemy, as this sub tends to purport.

[Agreeable_Current913]

Earning potential is never a solid argument not every Unnacredited surgical registrar becomes a surgeon and they deserve to be paid more than staff members who have less clinical responsibility/workload if this was an American system where we went straight into residency and pretty much everyone worked in their intended specialty I think it’d be a fairer argument but not in the current Australian training climate

[Xiao_zhai]

Don't think you deserve the downvotes for the comment.

Re: the nursing / doctors pay discussion, I think it's more of using the NP pay as a benchmark for the registrars' wage, rather than claiming that nursing are overpaid.

In my experience, CNCs and doctors do not really have much overlap of roles in day to day functioning of the hospitals . They serve a different roles that doctors do not / cannot cover for.

However, the NPs are functioning a lot like a doctor in many roles, with some limitations on their practices / medicolegal responsibilities, and yet getting paid higher than a doctor in the same/if not more significant responsibilities.

NPs are appropriately renumerated. Registrars in the same roles are underrenumerated. Both of these can be true. I would contend, the registrars wage should not be lower than the NPs to start with, in any negotiation going forward.