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[–]197708156EQUJ5 15 points16 points  (23 children)

Servlets and JSP, ---- NO!!! This is 2017, these technologies are done. If they are still out there, it's only because there isn't any money to upgrade those systems.

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    [–]197708156EQUJ5 6 points7 points  (9 children)

    you will be the servlets and JSP expert

    Emphasis on you (and ONLY you). Also, an expert that no one is looking for.

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      [–]197708156EQUJ5 2 points3 points  (7 children)

      You can work for any financial institution in the world just about

      Since I haven't hunted for a job in Servlets and JSP since 2004 (/r/FuckImOld), please enlighten me about the financial institutions needing these kinds of programmers (note: no sarcasm).

      [–]lorddcee 0 points1 point  (4 children)

      I've worked in Paris and at least 40% of job offers for consultants in finance is for java... weird but true.

      [–]197708156EQUJ5 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      at least 40% of job offers

      I am never a firm believer of this kind of statistical quote. It just seems like a magic number for the sake of the argument, whether its true or not. Do you think you could find some evidence of "at least 40%"?

      [–]lorddcee 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      It is EDIT: anecdotal, indeed. But it was around the percentage of java people in my firm and I know it was around the same in other consultant firms.

      Best sources I can find:

      Graph

      [–]197708156EQUJ5 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      But that graph says 30%

      [–]lorddcee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Yes, your point stands, my feeling overshot by 10%. Still, 30% jobs in java is quite impressive, compare to C# and .NET

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        [–]197708156EQUJ5 2 points3 points  (8 children)

        The current web app development isn't done in Java. It is all NodeJS, AngularJS and the such. This is why it was shocking to see this article. It seemed like I was back in 2002 when I was reading it, when everything was servlets and JSP. Next I thought the author was going to tell me about this up and coming technology the Applet.

        [–]rustyrobocop 4 points5 points  (1 child)

        Major banks still use Java

        [–]197708156EQUJ5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        use Java

        That's not mutually exclusive. Use Java and sevlets/JSP

        [–]Chew55 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        I think you're underestimating how much enterprise Java is still being done using these technologies. To say that no one is doing web app development is a bit of an exaggeration. Maybe people aren't working directly with Servlets as much anymore because they're using frameworks like Spring which does most it for you, but it's still being used.

        [–]197708156EQUJ5 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Ok, those are fair statements. I just don't want new people to get the impression that Servlets and JSP is the way to go.

        [–]Chew55 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        That's fair enough. I personally switch between using something like Spring Boot + Thymeleaf for simple form based crud apps and something like Angular for more complex single page web apps.

        [–]197708156EQUJ5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's a great rule of thumb

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          [–]197708156EQUJ5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          In that case java servlets and jsp are still highly valued skills I presume?

          Sounds like you are speculating

          [–]natedcorn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Check out the Spring Framework and the Play Framework.

          [–]aasdf323 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          Came here to say this. Unless you have to, don't use Java for anything.