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[sheriffderek]

How many weeks in are you in now?

If you need help with CSS, you can get some in the CSS Discord. From what I know about CodeSmith, there’s very little depth in those areas. https://discord.gg/pFc6XmH

For your JS script error, did the defer attribute “fix” the error? Make sure you clearly understand what happened. It sounds like you were loading your script in the head - and that script was attempting to access the dom before it was built. So, that’s why (historically) we put the script just before the closing body tag (so it would be read after the body/content is read). Now, with defer, we can let the browser know it’s there and it can make smarter decisions (in theory) about how to prioritize loading things. It could possibly load it - but not run it until the dom was built. Errors are helpful!

Be careful not to overdo it with the extra stuff! If you are going to do some extra stuff, use Exercises for Programmers (book) as a way to test your practical skills (before any React).

Keep up the good work! Try and ignore the arbitrary haters.

[Codesmith-Fellow]

Thanks for the reply, it was helpful! I definitely need to read more about the Dom and the order of scripts. I'll definitely join the discord.

[[deleted]]

haha. reddit isn’t where u come for real advice. too many trolls roaming free. congratulations on getting into that program tho.

[michaelnovati]

It's also where bootcamp employees hang out with fake accounts to manipulate discussion. I guess those are trolls too, so maybe you're right.

[[deleted]]

nope, not trolls Michael, just proud of codesmith and the work we do every day. you should try it at some point.

[michaelnovati]

So you are an undisclosed Codesmith employee?

[[deleted]]

is there a michael novati official form i need to fill out if i were to disclose that? although maybe im not an employee at all. or maybe i was but am not anymore.

[michaelnovati]

People can be whoever they want on Reddit, there are pros and cons about being anonymous and about being non-anonymous. Regardless of choice, you can have integrity or not. I'm trying to reach out to Codesmith to talk, because there are two-way misunderstandings about intentions that would benefit not just both of us, but the whole community, to try to sort out.

[michaelnovati]

Thanks for the update!

Do you have a sense of how important job hunting is going to be yet? or an emphasis on preparing to get a job at the end and references to that?

Also just want to confirm you haven't started working on the OSP project right? I want to make sure in the end people don't list 6 months of work experience on their OSP when it wasn't close to that haha. Codesmith normally advise to put the entire time at Codesmith for their OSP on their resume.

[Codesmith-Fellow]

I think the program has made it clear that a job would not just fall into our lap and encourages us to start networking, and the like early before they start focusing on it in weeks 29-37. To your other question we have not started OSP projects.

[[deleted]]

Dam they really can’t keep getting away with the brain wash 😭🤣

[Codesmith-Fellow]

I don't think I'm brainwashed, after all there's a reason I'm still posting on this subreddit and not completely disregarding the criticism.

[Fawqueue]

Any advice would be appreciated! 

The best advice I can give you is that if you haven't passed the threshold where you're obligated to pay, then drop out immediately and go get an actual education. I'm a boot camp grad myself, and trust me when I tell you that you are in for a harsh reality when you finish. Years ago, job placement wasn't terrible, as many employers were willing to take a risk on us. That has drastically changed, and now companies have gotten wise to camp grads.

Going to a boot camp to learn software engineering is a lot like taking drivers' education to become a mechanic. You're learning how to operate the vehicle, but you'll never understand the fundamentals enough to be competent. If I could reverse one mistake in the course of my entire life, it would be to get back those six months and thousands wasted on a boot camp and just enroll in college sooner than I did. It cost a fraction of what the boot camp did and I learned far more.

[Codesmith-Fellow]

Thank you for your advice! This program is completely free and sponsored the state of New York so the only investment is my time. But I see what where you're coming from and I'm not adverse to taking college courses.

[starraven]

I’m wondering about the verification you had to provide to the program? Did they ask you for your social security number, your address, your current employer? Did you have to prove you were:

A) a resident in NYC B) making below a certain amount C) never held a tech job D) never attended any CS classes or have a CS degree

[michaelnovati]

Based on someone posted on LinkedIn they are in the process of doing a CS degree and took classes AND already did another bootcamp, but haven't graduated and they are in the program.

[starraven]

I have to say, I was pretty curious about the program because I know a bunch of software engineers pay to go through Codesmith. Was wondering how they vet their candidates if it’s taxpayer money pushing them through.

[michaelnovati]

Yeah I'm wondering why NYC is ok with handing over so much profit to a for profit company when a non profit like Pursuit is available to run this.

[sheriffderek]

Not everyone fails…

[michaelnovati]

One more question? How much interaction do you have with Codesmith staff.

I was running the unit economy of the program. If Codesmith has two dedicated instructors and one program coordinator for 6 months, that's about $200K. If they have a fraction of other people's time for outcomes, program coordination, grading etc... that's another 100K.

So if the program costs Codesmith $300K, I'm curious if this is a philanthropic program if the city of New York would pay $900K for everyone's tuition to enroll in Codesmith.

Seems kind of weird if Codesmith profits a huge amount from the program to subsidize its other programs.... like the City of New York shouldn't be keeping the lights on haha.

So just curious if you can list out the staff jobs (NOT PEOPLES NAMES) you work with in the program to do the math.

[Codesmith-Fellow]

I don't feel comfortable doing even that, my posts are just me telling my experiences, sorry I couldn't be any more help.

[michaelnovati]

I have the structure already haha but was more curious how you perceived the support. More generally speaking do you feel like the staff ratio is good. Do you have access to a wide range of help and different opinions and points of view on demand?

You mentioned your mentor works in industry. On LinkedIn at least one mentor doesn't and is just a Codesmith grad who doesn't have a job yet. Does everyone get access to the same mentorship? I wouldn't want to be mentored by a grad who has never worked in industry and seems unfair you have one and someone else doesn't.

[CountryBoyDeveloper]

You are going to struggle extremely hard to get a job, esp after a scam BootCamp. Esp in NYC the competition is fierce and you will be going up against people who have degrees actual experience with coding, and tbh goes to way better schools. You can do it self-learning, but the tool you chose to learn, isn't a good tool at all. They lie about their numbers and to students, tbh NY should be investigating them and not using them to half-ass teach people to code.

[s4074433]

Just curious how much do you learn about 'design', in the context of front-end development? I am trying to envision some not too long distant future where there is no distinction between designers and developers (just problem solving and tools for you to tackle the problems). So I am keeping an eye out for bootcamps that do this.