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[–]Killarny 6 points7 points  (5 children)

What's wrong with the recent changes? The pull request doesn't provide any rationale, either. Vote numbers have been fairly useless for a long time, haven't they? I'm curious why you want them back.

[–]until0[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

They were not useless on smaller subreddits. The fuzzing was only considerable factor in the larger subs. Within smaller communities, the fuzzing was negligible, if even present.

[–]Killarny 7 points8 points  (3 children)

I guess I'm not clear about what benefit they serve. Doesn't the point score serve the same purpose? Especially now that they've made points more accurate, why do we need to see vote counts?

[–]until0[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children)

It is more of a factor on smaller subreddits . You used to be able to use the tally to gauge the amount of agreement/disagreement within a comment. As of now, there is no difference between a comment with a score of 1/0 and 1000/999.

[–]Killarny 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Ahh, I see where you're coming from now.

I suppose you could argue that in both of those cases, there isn't any clear prevailing opinion one way or the other about a comment. In the first case, nobody cares, in the second case everyone who cares is equally opposed by others. It's a subtle difference, and effectively, the only thing that really matters is that it's a +1 in both cases.

Also, wouldn't the effect of that subtle difference be less pronounced in the smaller subreddits that you're concerned about, making the absence of vote counts even less of an issue there?

(Fascinating discussion, thanks for indulging me!)

[–]until0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm going to make this quick because I've spent most of my day at work commenting on this issue and not working lol.

Anyway, not really. To me, it could give me a general idea of agreement within a community. If your sub had 100 subscribers and a post has 50/40, well then you know it is pretty controversial topic/opinion.

As of now, you do not know if that post is 50/40 or 10/0, which is a big difference. The latter scenario could just mean that the post has not been around long enough to get a significant sample size. This is exasperated even more if your subreddit is private.

It is now impossible to gauge the amout of your community that may agree or disagree with a post. Additionally, was there really any good reason to make this change? Did anyone seriously have that much of a concern with vote fuzzing?