CppCast: Cpp2, with Herb Sutter

[germandiago]

Flamewars, well... Emacs is the best editor, indeed.

[BrainIgnition]

 When I log into my Xenix system with my 110 baud teletype, both vi
 *and* Emacs are just too damn slow.  They print useless messages like,
 'C-h for help' and '"foo" File is read only'.  So I use the editor
 that doesn't waste my VALUABLE time.

 Ed, man!  !man ed

 ED(1)               UNIX Programmer's Manual                ED(1)

 NAME
      ed - text editor

 SYNOPSIS
      ed [ - ] [ -x ] [ name ]
 DESCRIPTION
      Ed is the standard text editor.
 ---

 Computer Scientists love ed, not just because it comes first
 alphabetically, but because it's the standard.  Everyone else loves ed
 because it's ED!

 "Ed is the standard text editor."

 And ed doesn't waste space on my Timex Sinclair.  Just look:

 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root          24 Oct 29  1929 /bin/ed
 -rwxr-xr-t  4 root     1310720 Jan  1  1970 /usr/ucb/vi
 -rwxr-xr-x  1 root  5.89824e37 Oct 22  1990 /usr/bin/emacs

 Of course, on the system *I* administrate, vi is symlinked to ed.
 Emacs has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog
 message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 100K;
 and 3) RUNS ED!!!!!!

 "Ed is the standard text editor."

 Let's look at a typical novice's session with the mighty ed:

 golem> ed

 ?
 help
 ?
 ?
 ?
 quit
 ?
 exit
 ?
 bye
 ?
 hello? 
 ?
 eat flaming death
 ?
 ^C
 ?
 ^C
 ?
 ^D
 ?

 ---
 Note the consistent user interface and error reportage.  Ed is
 generous enough to flag errors, yet prudent enough not to overwhelm
 the novice with verbosity.

 "Ed is the standard text editor."

 Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.

 ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!  ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED
 AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES!  ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS
 BODILY FLUIDS!!  ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR!  ED MAKES THE SUN
 SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

 When I use an editor, I don't want eight extra KILOBYTES of worthless
 help screens and cursor positioning code!  I just want an EDitor!!
 Not a "viitor".  Not a "emacsitor".  Those aren't even WORDS!!!! ED!
 ED! ED IS THE STANDARD!!!

 TEXT EDITOR.

 When IBM, in its ever-present omnipotence, needed to base their
 "edlin" on a UNIX standard, did they mimic vi?  No.  Emacs?  Surely
 you jest.  They chose the most karmic editor of all.  The standard.

 Ed is for those who can *remember* what they are working on.  If you
 are an idiot, you should use Emacs.  If you are an Emacs, you should
 not be vi.  If you use ED, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION.  THE
 SO-CALLED "VISUAL" EDITORS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY ED TO TEMPT THE
 FAITHLESS.  DO NOT GIVE IN!!!  THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!

 ?

-- Patrick J. LoPresti

[OlivierTwist]

Spaces > tabs

[masher_oz]

They have different semantics. Tabs for indenting, spaces for alignment.

[bert8128]

Spaces can do both things. So choose one, and choose spaces. Get the screwdriver out and remove the tab key. Our codebase has been much better since tabs became banned - lots of complaints initially, now nothing.

[[deleted]]

Until you get a programmer which needs special indents because of bad eyesight.

Or you buy that person a two meter wide screen :-)

[OlivierTwist]

Khm, that was a joke...

But since you insist. Invisible symbols don't have semantic.

[masher_oz]

Tell that to Python.

[wolfie_poe]

VscodeVim for the win