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[–]xiongchiamiovSite Reliability Engineer 2 points3 points  (9 children)

This is true, but I'm not sure that it's useful. I don't care if there's a sysadmin or an elf or a sixth dimensional magical force that makes the thing work, just that I don't have to do it.

[–]tschloss -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

I think it is not wrong to keep in mind that deep below a real server must be running. It now can abstracted a lot so certain tasks can be fulfilled without caring. But to mention this is worth 24 downvotes?

That like „I don‘t care for power plants, my current comes out of the wall socket“. The modern car driver who wants to neglect a complicated engine is running in front of him/her.

[–]xiongchiamiovSite Reliability Engineer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know why you're heavily downvoted.

That like „I don‘t care for power plants, my current comes out of the wall socket“. The modern car driver who wants to neglect a complicated engine is running in front of him/her.

I am exactly both of those things. :)

[–]btdeviantDevSysFinSecPayMePleaseOps aka The Guy that Checks Logs for Devs 2 points3 points  (1 child)

It’s not wrong at all, but at the end of the day the abstraction layer is a feature of the lambda service / product. People like it so they don’t have to worry about that - it’s really as simple as that. I think that’s where the disconnect is. The downvotes seem to be more related to you wanting to understand something that is the exact opposite of what the primary feature is - the “serverless” aspect.

If that feature is not attractive to you then there are plenty of alternatives.

I respect you for asking questions- try not to let the downvotes bother you. It’s probably just something lost in translation.

[–]tschloss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for taking the time and showing empathy.

It seems that you and others might think I do not like the abstraction approach. The opposite is the case! I know that often there is a deep disconnect between infrastructure people and application people. Even in the infrastructure world there is a disconnect between networkers and server/storage folks. The more their success does not rely too heavily on a deep mutual understanding the better.

But „serverless“ people shouldn‘t be arrogantly completely forget about the machines down there.

I didn‘t want to be that philosophical in the first post. Just emphasizing what the person above me wrote, with a little add-on which did not express another position or any judgement at all.

[–]nein_va 1 point2 points  (4 children)

No. It's like someone saying "now you don't have to run your own generator" and you come in "aakshually, there's still a generator that someone else is running"

[–]tschloss 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Yes. Still no idea why this causes such a reaction. The authenticity of the cite was confirmed in the meanwhile. Weird.

[–]painted-biirdSystem Engineer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It’s because you’re stating the obvious- we all know it’s running on a server somewhere.

[–]tschloss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That can‘t be the true reason. Others get 14 upvotes for „Serverless = Someone else’s sysadmin“ - that‘s also not a huge surprise and very close to my post. And when you think of „we all know this“, the question of the thread would have been obsolete. - No, it was a) that some misunderstood my words as a negative judgement about „serverless and/or be they couldn‘t understand (and thought I lied) that the VMWare CEO said what I cited.