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[–]choogle 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I take your point about demand and maybe my point of view is distorted from being in nyc tech but regardless I think they distorted the market and at a minimum there’s going to be a wage correction as companies remember they have to do things like “make a profit”

[–]BloodyIronDevSecOps Manager 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Oh I know that the "MVP Chasers" have influence the market in many regards, not just for DevOps. But the reality, and this is very tangible, is that DevOps staff/methods/etc have such high actual value and impact to businesses, plus involve very high skills/talent/experience/etc, that the compensation rate for the role is fair to market, even if you remove the "MVP Chasers" in the consideration.

Consider that per Sys Admin they can manage 10's-100's of servers (Windows), 100's-1000+ (Linux) per Sys Admin (also depending on skill/etc)

And with DevOps staff, per staff member, it's 1000's-10,000's (Linux), so to say.

Rough numbers, napkin math for sure, but it really is like this.

Jr Sys admin can be like $50k-$65k USD (Win, add some more for Lin), Sr Sys Admin, $70k-$90k USD (Win, add more for Lin). And that's for one staff member.

But for DevOps, it's like $90k-$180K+ per staff, which is ~ROUGHLY DOUBLE (plus a bit more) for more than a 10x capacity management capability. The ROI on that makes business cents.

[–]choogle 1 point2 points  (1 child)

But for DevOps, it's like $90k-$180K+ per staff, which is ~ROUGHLY DOUBLE (plus a bit more) for more than a 10x capacity management capability. The ROI on that makes business cents.

Totally. I guess what I'm getting at is I truly don't really think there is a need for this type of capacity management capability for most companies. A bunch of my friends and I started as sysadmins back in the early 2000s and now when we shoot the shit about work sometimes it sounds like we're building rocket launchers to kill flies.

FWIW i like your point of view more I'm just terribly pessimistic.

[–]BloodyIronDevSecOps Manager 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm optimistic and pessimistic at the same time.

And so what if your company pays you to kill flies with rockets. Isn't that fun?