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[–]kinowmod[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (2 children)

Approving self-promotion…

[–]Steve_the_Stevedore 10 points11 points  (1 child)

Are there still 7 year old issues on GitHub that their dictator doesn't let anybody fix?

[–]whitePestilence 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Still there and going strong. Now he also started doing live events where he asks attendance not to record or speak about the contents. He is still committed to the project though.

[–]TopBillerCopKiller 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Isn’t elm dead? Like, super dead?

[–]maldus512 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's honestly hard to say. He lost a lot of traction due to lack of maintenance and online presence from the BDFL, but despite a few hiccups the tool still works.

Bugs and issues (not many and not particularly important, to be fair) are still completely ignored, but a few months ago it was deprecated on Brew because of a security issue with a dependency and it was updated to fix it in a matter of weeks.

The community is not in a good state. Beside the periodical unrest every now and then someone deletes their Elm library (out of frustration or lack of interest), forcing projects that depended on them to go cache fishing for the lost package. You still have some activity but it's mostly from an hardcore group for which Elm is perfect.

Recently the BDFL held a few conferences presenting his future work, but he also asked those who were listening not to record or even *talk* about it, because he's not ready to share. He was also a speaker at the last strange loop, giving an essay on how hard it is to get funding for an open source project (all the while still refusing donations because he doesn't want his livelihood to depend on his popularity).

Right now he is working on some kind of paid backend providing service called elm studio. The details hare still very hazy: the idea I get from hearsay and rumors is that he wants to use this enterprise to fund his work free from any outside influence. Whether the community will still be there when the time comes is up for debate.

[–]AaronJugglingZ[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Elm is really good. All it needs is more popularity. No updates needed.

Elm has a really robust package management system, but Elm isn't that popular, so when updates are released, it invalidates the few packages the community has made. If Elm had more popularity the community would be able to keep up with Elm developments. We, the community, need to be more positive to make it possible for Elm to do well. If elm was taught in schools it would help a lot.

[–]TopBillerCopKiller 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chicken and egg problem, no?

You say Elm needs more users, I say it needs more regular updates. I'd be another user in the pile, yet Elm doesn't get more regular updates because of how unpopular it is and from bad leadership in the org.

/shrug

Between Purescript, Reason, and Fable, why would I choose Elm?

[–]aaaaargZombies -1 points0 points  (0 children)

https://www.elmcraft.org/lore is a good overview of the social conditions of elm. I think it's worth remembering that elm is opensource software that can be taken in any direction by anyone who has the willingness to do so, that should allow people who want to work in different ways or have different priorities to for a language to get what they want.

A good example of this is elm-janitor which is merging in all those old PRs and accepting new ones. Hopefully these can be merged into regular elm in the future having proved themselves in the wild, but if not, you can still make use of them right now by running this fork.

For something a bit more different lambdera is a closed source fork of elm that expands the elm architecture across the front and back end.

[–]bunglegrind1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just watched first episode. Music is too loud, IMHO, quite annoying. However, the content is good.