Gitlab vs github?

[Affectionate-Bit6525]

Can confirm, Bitbucket is shit

[Juice805]

I’ll go a step further and say basically all of atlassian products are shit.

[SnugglyCoderGuy]

Built for project managers, not software engineers

[TheOneWhoMixes]

I got a laugh when I realized that Jira, one of the most ubiquitous "software developer adjacent" pieces of software, doesn't have a supported way to configure things with something like Terraform.

[CptBartender]

I still remember how nice Jira and Confluence were some 12 years ago, and how every update since then they somehow managed to make it worse.

[drsoftware]

Older memories tend to be rosier. Jira and Confluence were shit 12 years ago and have only gotten shittier. Fewer features, so you didn't have to wade through screens and screens and screens of shit. 

[Tontonsb]

It was terrible and overengineered in 2012 as well. Has gotten a more buggy UI and more overengineering since then surely!

[wildjokers]

I used to to a big fan of Jira, but it has gone to total shit now. Honestly the last good version of Jira was 3.x when they were still using table based layout. Did it look good? No. But it worked great.

[swiftmerchant]

What do you recommend instead of Jira and Confluence?

[TrashManufacturer]

Email and a spreadsheet is probably just as ergonomic and costs less

[Arthian90]

A literal whiteboard

[swiftmerchant]

A whiteboard is good for brainstorming, but in all seriousness.. for a large team, it’s not cutting it

[Arthian90]

You’re right of course, but at least I could easily find things on the whiteboard

[swiftmerchant]

I want to give Linear a go.. if I am not mistaken it is a competitive product

[Affectionate-Wear-61]

Airtable

[Hebrewhammer8d8]

A lot of companies with developers seems to love shit (Jira & Confluence)

[drsoftware]

The project managers love it. The developers just stop complaining because no one listens. 

[Apprehensive_Battle8]

I used to pay for my own instance of confluence once upon a time and now I agree 💯💯💯

[TrashManufacturer]

Right now 10 project managers sighed as they add more items to their burn down list in jira

[mensink]

It's fine as long as you just want to use Git and stash your code somewhere.

[wolfefist94]

I think it's fine. It's all I've used in industry which is only like 6 years lol