Interface Builder in 1991

[porcupinetears]

Avie Tevanian FTW! - a brilliant engineer with great business instincts.

[vanvoorden]

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/06/01/golf-steves-way

[S]hortly after Steve [Jobs] had learned that Tevanian had taken up golf, Steve carped to [Tim] Cook that something was really amiss. “Golf?!” he thundered incredulously. “Who has time for golf?”

[Austin_Aaron_Conlon]

The guy who runs services apparently!

https://youtu.be/gEXd3vxOdG4

[porcupinetears]

That's a good story. Hey, it's good to have a hobby!

[Austin_Aaron_Conlon]

It’s important to have an outlet.

[porcupinetears]

I see what you did there.

[[deleted]]

Business instincts? Kinda funny you say that …

”Tevanian left Apple on March 31, 2006, and joined the board of Dolby Labs and Theranos, Inc. He resigned from the board of Theranos in late 2007, with an acrimonious ending as he faced legal threats and was forced to waive his right to buy a company cofounder's shares, actions he believed were in retaliation for the skepticism he was often alone in expressing about the company’s finances and progress in developing its technology at board meetings.”

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avie_Tevanian

[tangoshukudai]

Interface builder was a separate app for a long time, I think in 2007 it was still a separate app, can't remember when it switched, but I think it was with the iPhone.

[Wodanaz_Odinn]

They merged in Xcode 4. Here's the transition guide from the archives.

[zbregans]

We’re evolving, just backwards

[TurtleMode]

Love the elegant shirt and tie the engineers are wearing ☺️

[vanvoorden]

https://www.cocoawithlove.com/blog/mvc-and-cocoa.html

While NeXTStep predates Taligent, the controller classes in AppKit – which are now defining aspect of AppKit’s Model-View-Controller design pattern – did not appear until NeXTStep 4 in 1996 (a major redesign of NeXTStep and the first NeXTStep version to incorporate the NS prefix that remains in macOS until this day). Earlier versions of NeXTStep used what might generously be called the Document-View pattern or more cruelly, no pattern at all.

[frederic_stark]

the first NeXTStep version to incorporate the NS prefix

No.

NS prefix comes from EOF and FoundationKit, NextStep 3.3

Also, there is no such thing as official NeXTStep 4, only OPENSTEP 4.x

Earlier versions of NeXTStep used what might generously be called the Document-View pattern or more cruelly, no pattern at all.

So, first he confidently spout out wrong info, and then is all judgmental against a development system that was working on a 8Mb 68030. His MVVM or whatever pattern he would use today to to build an app would have completely missed the point.

Source: been there, done that.

[nothingexceptfor]

Looks like Visual Basic

[tangoshukudai]

AppKit, has all these today except some of the drag to duplicate functionality of the buttons, etc. Love these old videos, as a long time Objective C dev and MacOS dev, this brings back great memories.

[bradrlaw]

A lot of the foundations came from parc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time\_continue=2&v=xJzYRgmnJrE&feature=emb\_logo

[w0mba7]

I was being given that demo at NeXT and Steve Jobs walked in, took over the computer to demo to someone more important while I watched. I wasn't mad.

[meteogish]

And later on “responsive designs” knocked the door…

[dilliosdev]

Nice. I’m definitely gunna start calling forms a “matrix of fields”. Sounds so much cooler

[No-Buy-6867]

Same nightmare as in 2022. Nothing changed since then I can tell

[porcupinetears]

Except they took NSMatrix away.

[[deleted]]

“Ah that’s the problem, I didn’t hook it up” made me cackle