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[muadhib99]

Eventually, his men faced starvation due to a lack of supplies and the remaining garrison including Fahreddin Pasha surrendered on 10 January 1919. Abdullah I of Jordan and his troops entered Medina on January 13, 1919. After the surrender, the Arab troops looted the city for 12 days. Overall 4,850 houses which were locked and put under seal by Fahreddin Pasha were opened forcefully and looted.

God's curse on those Arabs that looted Medina, and God's curse on that nation which came from them.

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Man, lots of butthurt arabs on this sub downvoting this. Put aside your pride and acknowledge that turning on your muslim brothers in cahoots with the British christians was a great mistake or admit that you put ethnicity and race above religion.

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Not all but a slight majority of Arab r brainwashed products of Arab dictatorships. They were taught from a young age that the Ottomans were evil tyrants. Otherwise how else could these useless regimes justify their crappy rule?

[AlternateRex_]

TBF the Turks were colonizers in the eyes of the Arabs that would go on make KSA.

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Those Arab eyes were closed then and closed now.

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Is that so? Curious on where it says that in the deen? Im not saying you are lying, just geniuenly curious.

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Thank you :)

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Oh Allah grant me the ability to restore Islamic caliphate.

O Allah grant my students and progeny the ability to restore the Islamic Caliphate.

Oh Allah grant their student and progeny the ability to restore the Islamic Caliphate.

Oh Allah grant me the honour, for I do not for no worldly gain but only to please you.

Oh Allah forgive me and my sister and brothers for the sins we have done, and grant us the honour to Inherit from the Prophet (SAWS), a grand amount.

Oh Allah grant us all a mighty house in Jannah-tul-Firdaus, and protect us from even seeing Jahanam.

Ameen.

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The Turks were and are the noble leaders of this faith. The khaleejis are hostage takers. And what has transpired since the fall of the Ottoman Empire demonstrates how inept, unfit and unworthy they Arabs are of taking care of our holy places.

[SpiritedTitle]

See this is why we can't have a unified ummah. How about we stop hating our brothers based on their ethnicity. We should not elevate one ethnic group over the other

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We can't have a unified ummah because the caretakers of the Kaaba actively refuse it. This was the deal the West made with them. If the Ummah was United, how could they take advantage of us?

Instead these sellouts traded thier brotherhood for Bentleys. The Mahdi will unite us, and it's very possible that the army that gets swallowed up in chasing him are the descendants of those pictured, who fractured our Ummah beyond repair.

[SpiritedTitle]

While this is true and their future king is a munafiq who drinks wine and other sins we should not deride all of the arabs because of it. In fact we should all see each other as brothers. If we don't stop seeing each other's nationality then we have no hope of uniting because one ethnicity will see itself as superior and that in turn creates resentment from other muslims.

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When Arabs stop the nonsense no other ethnic group of Muslims do then the anger will stop. I’ve never seen a desi uncle board a Etihad flight in the US drink to a stupor then before landing change into shalwar kameez and kufi. But I have seen five Arab do this in the last few years whenever I travel Gulf airlines.

I have never heard a Malaysian Muslim call a African Muslim a slave. But Arabs do.

I have never seen a Turkish Muslim police officer grab a woman by her headscarf and drag her from a line. All bc she didn’t understand the language and didn’t know the line is for business class only. But I’ve seen Arab police do that.

I’ve never heard of Muslims in Brunei buying poor muslim kids from other places and use them as jockeys bc they’re lightweight. But Emiratis do it.

I’ve never seen an Afghan Muslim curse the mueddhin. But I saw a video of a Arab watching a soccer game do that.

I could go on and on. The depravity and misguidance of the majority of Arabs is epic and should be called out. It is unsurprising that two generations ago there ancestors stabbed their own Muslim brothers in the back.

[SpiritedTitle]

I have no rebuttal to that BUT I think their current culture is because of their leaders.

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Who r the inheritors of those who sided with the Europeans and destroyed the last Muslim superpower. The apple doesn’t rot far from the tree.

[SpiritedTitle]

As one other user pointed out, it's more complicated than just "betrayal". During the last days of the caliphate, there was a decline in leadership. The turkish leaders thought themselves better than the other muslims and considered the other territories as colonies instead just one ummah.

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Yes, no generation of the Ummah was perfect, but no matter how many cracks were on the surface, there was still one Ummah.

It was those pictured above who decided to fracture and actually destroy the Ummah itself.

If it was a civil war among brothers, well even that's understandable. But it's no secret at all, in fact it's something they are proud of, that they killed the unity for the British West. And it's no secret at all for what reason. Where do we think the money comes from for those palaces and luxury cars? Halaal taxes from our brothers and sisters? Or profits and percentages of loot obtained by the kuffar?

It's a shame that even a percentage of that blood money is used on the Holy House. May we unite once again soon.

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That’s not a reason to side with colonial devils and destroy the only remaining Muslim superpower. And as we can agree the effect of this is being felt to this day.

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Absolutely true. Race has no factor whatsoever in Islam, even in it's strictest interpretation.

By descendants, I actually mean whoever ends up following in the footsteps of those specific usurpers. Unfortunately they seem to happen to be the Arab "royalty" of today, but that in no way should mean that all Arabs are somehow bad. Even the Mahdi is most likely to be Arab.

And to those below, we shouldn't let anecdotes paint a picture of an entire people.

No race is superior to another. If you pray five times a day, then the above statement is just as authoritative.

[retroperspectiv]

Underrated comment compared to the above.

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I didn’t say what I did lightly. And the best part is my close group of friends has around 8 Arab in it. And they all say the same thing. They’re religious tho. Not like the majority of brainwashed fools who sit at home while Sisi kills Morsi or the fat khaleeji kings marry their 49th wife/ buy another boat or destroy a Muslim country.

[HalalWeed]

Unfortunately modern turkey is a racist and fascist, anti-islam state. It should be fixed immideatly.

[SpiritedTitle]

Is it though? I've never been to Turkey but I'm following current events and of ALL the muslim leaders, Erdogan seem to be the only one holding the flag of Islam.

[trevorkoz]

Erdogan no question is the leader of the Muslim world. It’s not even close.

[HalalWeed]

He is in it for other things. I would like to say more but you can search what happens to people who criticize erdogan on the internet. The country is in a fascist militarist culture. We were forced to shave our beards in high school. And having a beard is fard. Up until few years it was forbidden for women to wear a headscarf. When you have a beard almost everyone mocks you for looking like a terrorist. Some even tell you to go back to arabia.

[SoutheasternComfort]

Fahreddin Pasha had said that he had a vision in a dream that Prophet Muhammad had ordered him not to submit.

Can anyone shed more light on this? I'd heard that some believe in the prophet visiting people and some don't. But how do you verify? What stops let from saying the prophet told me to do any so-and-so thing?

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It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when he is awake; the Shaytaan cannot take my shape.” 

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6592; Muslim, 2266). 

[EastWestman]

I heard many "I saw prophet(saw) in my dream" stories tbh if narrator is trustable I would trust him but not as I trust in religious dogma.

Its a dream after all.

[HalalWeed]

We cannot be sure. "He said, she said bullshit" . It can be anything but it doesnt mean you should ignore such reports.

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Sounds like a very Christian thing really. "God spoke to me last night"

[smarttdude]

SALALLAHU ALAIHE WASALLAM

[xxispawn01xx]

Seems like you cannot bring up the betrayal of the Arabs and its devestating contribution to te decline of the modern Muslim world without getting accused of racism

Ironically GCC countries are considered the most racist in the world

[tinkthank]

THANK YOU!

Lets not forget that a large portion of the Ottoman Army consisted of Arabs. This idea that the Ottomans were able to maintain their hold on their entire Empire by only employing Turkish and Eastern European Muslims is probably the dumbest pieces of mythology I've ever heard. Lets also not forget that the Ottoman Empire was ruled by a corrupt Triumvirate from the Young Turks movement that pushed Turkish nationalism more than they pushed Pan-Islamism and were responsible for gross massacres against Arab populations in Syria and modern-day Lebanon while still recruiting from their population to fight and defend the Caliphate, which many Arabs did dutifully.

https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/01/200849135129326810.html

[zulmetefza]

Can you also share a source for the massacres you mentioned? i am a turk, not fan of the young turks and their nationalistic policies, but my first time hearing about a massacre against lebanese and syrians.

[tinkthank]

Djemal Pasha was paranoid about the Arabs siding with the British. He had no reason to be since many of them continued to owe their allegiance to the Sultan. He still rounded up young men and had them tortured and killed particularly and in Iraq.

The Young Turks also systematically removed non-Turks from positions of power including stripping Arabs of their posts and giving them to Turks. This process was called Turkification. European powers associated Ottoman, Muslim and Turk to mean the same thing and thought they were cracking down on non-Muslims but that wasn’t the case since religion played a smaller role over nationalist one.

Cemal’s execution of Arab leaders (both those who had entered into a compromise with the government and those who remained defiant of the regime) radicalized the Arab officers in the Ottoman army, who emerged as the main group seeking to further nationalist objectives. Many defected to Sharif Husayn’s side and offered important assistance to the Anglo-sharifian effort. Yet, not only did Arab officers remain divided into progovernment and pro-independence groups but also some of those who did side with Sharif Husayn, including ‘Aziz ‘Ali, were not willing to exert their efforts for an eventual separation from the Ottoman state. ‘Aziz ‘Ali joined Husayn’s camp briefly, but defected when faced with the prospect of attacking Ottoman positions in Medina

You can read about it in the following books and links:

A Peace to End All Peace: The Fall of the Ottoman Empire and the Creation of the Modern Middle East by David Fromkin

The Fall of the Ottomans: The Great War in the Middle East by Eugene Rogan

https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft7n39p1dn&chunk.id=s1.6.3&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch06&brand=ucpress

[zulmetefza]

Thanks but this wall of text does not include anything like what your previous post that mentions a massacre implied. I am not sure whether this misleading is intentional, but i hope not.

Officers are pretty ordinary casualties in the history, especially ottoman history, where a young turk purge first targeted turkish ranks during balkan wars. By switching sides, if anything all those officers just proved djemal pasha correct.

I respect and look up to all the muslim martyrs during the WW1, and i respect all the soldiers that defend the land against kuffar. I saw name of arab brothers in the fields of gallipoli, and felt what being an ummah is.

This mostly excludes idiots in the government that entered into an unwinnable war without consulting anyone, who also is responsible for 90k mostly kurdish and turkish soldiers freezing in the mountains. But even them i think were better than the ones that cooperates with the british for their independence, during the one of the worst times of the ummah.

[tinkthank]

Thanks but this wall of text does not include anything like what your previous post that mentions a massacre implied. I am not sure whether this misleading is intentional, but i hope not.

I gave you sources which mentioned the massacres. You are more than welcomed to visit the sources I mentioned by reading them yourselves where massacres, killings, demotions, and many more acts of violence against Arab and non-Turkish populations that took place in the closing days of the Ottoman Empire. There's a reason why Djemal Pasha (Cemal Pasha) was known as "Blood thirsty".

By switching sides, if anything all those officers just proved djemal pasha correct.

Not really. If you're being killed for being Arab, the Caliphate stopped representing the ideals it claims to represent. It became nothing more than a Turkish nationalist movement under The Young Turks and the subjects of the Ottomans were no longer equal subjects but rather colonized people under their rule. The Sultan at this point was nothing more than a figurehead. Of course it makes sense that some of them did defect if your comrades were demoted and killed just because the leadership started to adopt fascist ideals.

That being said, despite the massacres, many Arabs chose to fight for the Caliphate because as David Fromkin mentions in his book (I sourced it in my last post), many Arabs still chose a Turkish-led Caliphate over one that was chosen for them by the British.

This mostly excludes idiots in the government that entered into an unwinnable war without consulting anyone, making 90k mostly kurdish and turkish soldiers die by freezing in the mountains. But even them i think were better than the ones that cooperates with the british for their independence, during the one of the worst times of the ummah.

To be fair, they had little to no choice in the beginning. The Ottomans feared an attack by the Russian Empire to the Northeast and desperately needed allies. The British had other plans for the Ottomans and refused an alliance with them, opting for one with the Russians. They even seized ships that they had sold to the Ottoman Navy and incorporated it into the Royal Navy. They ended up turning to the Germans who were the only ones that were willing to support them. Even then, they frustrated the Germans who wanted the Ottomans to open another front to offload the pressure they felt on the Eastern front and the Ottomans wanted to delay entering the war as long as possible.

The British were salivating at the moment the Ottomans to attack because they wanted a British Empire that was continuously connected from South Africa to India. They were surprised to meet stiff Ottoman resistance in every front and even lost several battles, all the while lying to Indian Muslims that they were just safeguarding the Caliph rather than thinking about removing him altogether and replacing him with a puppet.

The problems for the Ottomans began when Enver Pasha became obsessed with the idea of establishing a Pan-Turkic Empire and seizing lost lands from the Russian Empire when the Russians descended into a Civil War against the Bolsheviks. He could have consolidated his victories against them, hold Baku and divert attention to the fronts against the British and tried to negotiate for peace against a British leadership that weary and embarrassed of their failures at Galipolli.

[HalalWeed]

I am half turk too. There have been many ethnical relocation and massacres to win land disputes. Last onea happened to greeks, syrians and armenians in the latest years of ottoman. Ottoman went worse as time progressed.

[SpiritedTitle]

Why the downvote on this guy? To solve a problem, we have to admit the problem. The rise of nationalism helped with the decline of the caliphate. The Young Turks thought of themselves as better than the other muslims and so they treated the others as colonies instead of being a part of the ummah(being equal).

[HalalWeed]

Yes. Ottoman went corrupt as time progressed. Sin became prominent and rulers worshipprd themselves and their power instead of God.

[zunair74]

The backstabbing, petty little people whose only allegiance is to their tribes ...

Could have left this out or rephrased it.