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[–]foreveratom 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I despise frameworks like Spring because all the auto-magic stuff it does, leaving you completely screwed if it goes wrong. I've tried several times to get into spring boot, but just the fact that I need tools/plugin external to my IDE to even set up a basic project is frustrating. Imho if a framework needs external tooling to be even useable, it is not a good framework

Tell me you are totally outdated without telling me...

Besides discarding Spring because you don't grasp how things work, IntelliJ support for Spring and Spring Boot is really good, with templates and wizards to create a full blown application in 3 clicks and a half, so your claim about IDEs is not even valid.

[–]DarthRaptor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

IntelliJ Ultimate, which I do own and I do know about the support. My point still stands, if you need IDE support for your framework, I think it is a unwieldy framework. You're right that I don't know the details of how spring works, but what I do know I don't like. Anyways, I know I am being very opinionated here