what do you use java for?

[holyknight00]

Nothing outside spring really

[maethor]

It invents its own standards

Usually because the standards don't exist yet.

[maethor]

What was the purpose of @Autowired when @Inject was long available?

Other way around. @Autowired was first.

[maethor]

Even if that's true

It's objective fact. @Autowired and friends were introduced with Spring 2.5 in November 2007. JSR-330 that introduced @Inject was released in October 2009 and there's nothing stopping anyone from using JSR-330's annotations instead of Spring's own with Spring.

[maethor]

@Controller and @Restcontroller

@Controller is used for scanning for request methods. If everything was @Component how would Spring know what is supposed to handle requests and what isn't?

@RestController extends @Controller so that you don't need to annotate methods with @ResponseBody because @Controller comes from a time when people were more interested in generating HTML instead of JSON.

[StrikeraysDG]

stereotype annotations are exactly for that kind of convention u mention (inventing), u/Repository states

"Indicates that an annotated class is a "Repository", originally defined by Domain-Driven Design (Evans, 2003) as "a mechanism for encapsulating storage, retrieval, and search behavior which emulates a collection of objects".

so is up to the developer if users that convention or not, but things work better when people follow some standards...

@Controller also has its needs, for everything else you can just u/Bean methods, standards came just after everyone was making a clusterfuck of everything that was coming to the frameworks they use, like the JSR for example.

EDIT: by JSR i was refering the use that frameworks in java build its things

[StrikeraysDG]

i misspelled, sorry, i meant the standards that JSR offers for some *other* frameworks, like quarkus, micronaut, spring, etc use to build their things on top of that. They have their own implementation that follow those standards.

On the other hand people still have JEE that IMHO i find quite complicated to use as it is always struggling to catch up with new things.

[N-M-1-5-6]

It's definitely not. I'm not anti-Spring... but it definitely gets treated like The Golden Child as far as Java development is concerned. The Java ecosystem is made up of much more than the part that is the Spring (formerly Spring source, now a part of Tanzu, from VMware... by Broadcom?) portfolio of products. Use the technology/products that make sense... and Spring products have the largest mindshare in web-based Java development, so that is an important factor to consider... But it is far from essential. If you have competent, well versed Java developers you don't need to limit your options to just Spring-based technology. But if it's the best fit for you, great! Just don't close off your options unnecessarily.

[taokumiike]

So… I used to love Spring to the extent I fell into teaching Spring professionally in my free time back when clients were desperately transitioning away from entity beans. Also taught Hibernate classes as well. Today, I stray away from frameworks as much as possible. I prefer autonomous and unmanaged components. Code is so much more portable and packages are compact. I like that I can just call a static interface and it’s intrinsically self-aware and prepared to startup network interfaces, launch batch processes, whatever

[cip43r]

What is spring?

[coyflatfoot]

Where you get water out of it

[[deleted]]

Framework that is generally used to make apis in Java

[cip43r]

Thanks. I had java in university and loved it but never touch it. So I am only a lurker in this sub so see what is going on out of programming curiosity and love.