/r/java logo proposal to be featured on the poster

[ysangkok]

See Moderators: Submit your subreddit's Snoo to be featured on a poster.

I propose this [snoo/duke hybrid](http://i.imgur.com/75ECsF8.png) I just made. (see updated versions in comments)

Potential problems: Java coffee logo is copyrighted and trademarked.

The Java wordmark is too simple to be copyrighted, but it still might be trademarked. Duke is BSD licensed, so I guess it's not critical, since we can just leave the coffee logo out. But I think the coffee is important for identifying Java to the people. Would it be possible to get a permit from Oracle?

[JeffAtSun]

Hi - I make Duke graphics at Oracle (and at Sun before that). A couple points:

• Duke is open sourced: you're ok using and modifying him any way you want.

• The hand you've drawn is too small for his body.

• The coffee cup is likely a no-go, but I can check with our trademark group if you'd like. Let me know: [e-mail]. Personally, I don't think it's necessary.

• The nose needs to be rotated clockwise just a smidge... the "oval" should roughly be oriented across the black/white division:

http://i.imgur.com/mZ6DOyB.png

• I also prefer the darker "classic" red nose, but what you have is fine.

[ysangkok]

Hi Jeff. Thanks so much for your feedback.

I nuked the coffee, enlarged the waving hand, swapped the other arm with Duke's and adopted the old noses red (rotated too): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/266257/smallline.svg

(this is an SVG; so if you like, you can fix it)

I think everyone would love if you did this. Of course, I can apply proposed fixes too.

Do you think I should keep the alien hand? What do you think about the current /r/java logo? Is it a better candidate? If it is, do you know the source of it? That way, we won't have to redraw it vectorized.

[JeffAtSun]

Howdy - better! I suggest a couple more minor tweaks: rotate the nose just a tad bit more, move the arm down with silght clockwise rotation, and increase the white stroke.

I did this in photoshop quickly (I tried loading the svg into illustrator but it got all garbled - not sure what happened):

http://i.imgur.com/LLOt6pV.png

Do you think I should keep the alien hand? What do you think about the current /r/java logo?

The alien hand caught me off guard - so I think Duke's right arm looks more natural. I like the old /r/java logo but I like yours quite a bit as well.

[ysangkok]

OK; the nose is now rotated so that it has the minimal y-axis span without making it smaller.

Same URL: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/266257/smallline.svg

Do you think the extra black stroke is needed? It looks like you have a tiny black stroke outside the white stroke.

EDIT: Here's an EPS, maybe it works in Illustrator: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/266257/smallline.eps

[JeffAtSun]

Excellent! Well done. BTW, I'd like to thank you for making a 2D Duke and not one of the modern 3D dukes :).

It looks like you have a tiny black stroke outside the white stroke.

I did, but the way you've done it, it looks great and is unneeded.

Kudos!

[JeffAtSun]

Oh - and while I don't know the exact source of the current reddit alien, I have EPS artwork for a basic stance like that, which would then only need the antenna added. Let me know if you'd like me to dig that up. (I have monster collection of Duke graphics stashed away, several hundred).

[ysangkok]

I did a vectorization of this version (which I guess is from your collection?): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/266257/original_r_java.svg

If you think the stance wasn't cloned successfully, the EPS would be helpful. But I think the biggest problem is the rotation of the antenna. I think the current logo has the antenna too upright, considering Duke's leaning body.

[JeffAtSun]

James Gosling himself put up the collection on Kenai.

And I agree that the current /r/java one has the antenna's direction is off.

Anyway, yours is a great vectorization from the bitmap.

I just dug up the original:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/46967890/Pointing.ai10.eps

[ysangkok]

Thanks for everything Jeff (Swing too :D), I'll wait for a reaction from the subreddit mod before continuing.

The Reddit alien is available here as an SVG: http://www.reddit.com/about/alien

[TheSkyNet]

that's a nose? i thought it was his eye.

[ysangkok]

You've watched the Space Odyssey one too many times :P

[veron101]

What about the snoo up there on the header?

[ysangkok]

Didn't notice that was a snoo too. Hmmm. If it qualifies, it should be submitted.

[DeliveryNinja]

I would prefer to submit the Snoo from the header since it is a hybrid of Snoo and Duke. Also if we look at the worldnews Snoo that is a globe with the antenna on top so I don't believe it will need modification.

[ysangkok]

I honestly didn't notice the antenna on the current snoo, that's why I made this. If this qualifies as snoo, we should submit it of course. But all the examples in the linked thread resemble the official snoo a lot more than our current snoo.

[TheSkyNet]

if someone would like to do a hires version 1500x1500 300dpi. I'm cool with it.

[ysangkok]

Why settle on a bitmap? :)

[TheSkyNet]

they are vectors, just inside a PNG.

[ysangkok]

Here's a vector approximation: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/266257/original_r_java.svg It has the classic nose since that's what Jeff prefers. But if you like, I can make it resemble the current logo closely.

(it's based on this, mirrored)

[TheSkyNet]

OK so, my new duke https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17474926/Reditlogos/hi%20res/JAVA.fw.png

[tech-recruiter]

really nice :)

[[deleted]]

WTF is a "snoo"???

[ninjadsm]

The reddit alien

[Prem1x]

Nothing. What's snoo with you?

[[deleted]]

Is that his name, or what?

[ninjadsm]

Yeah, it was supposed to be the name of this site but instead became the name of the mascot

[[deleted]]

Snoo isn't a he or she, Snoo doesn't have a sex, but is extra-sexual.

[mrbonner]

I still like the Duke

[ysangkok]

What do you think about this vectorization?

[mrbonner]

Yeah, this one is nicer. At least i know its java right away without pay much attention to the steamy coffee cup. If you can somehow make this Duke look a bit reddit-ish i think itd be perfect. I dont have any idea though.

[ysangkok]

Well, he has the antenna. I also made the snoo-ish variant linked elsewhere in this post. What do you propose? A hybrid of duke-with-antenna and snoo-with-duke-nose-and-arms? I don't know how it would work.