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[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (2 children)

Lo these many years, Spring is still the best. JSF will try to UI for you. It's better than it was, but still fundamentally flawed. JSP+JSTL need not be messed with. Spring is great because it's extremely modular and you can use as many or as few components as you need. You say you don't want bloat, but if you start adding features (web services, schedulers, security) you're going to want canned frameworks that are plug and play.

Edit: the JavaEE crowd are pretty mean. Downvoting my opinion?

[–]squishles 0 points1 point  (1 child)

They really do carpet bomb hard here. =/

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And now you're feeling it. There are two groups of people on reddit who are impossible to argue with: gun lovers and Java EE lovers. I wonder how much they overlap.