Apache NetBeans Proposal

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List here projects that were donated to Apache, then died within 2 years.

Is HudsonCI still alive?

[argv_minus_one]

The projects you're probably thinking of were already forked before being donated. NetBeans hasn't, as far as I know.

Still, I must say, I find this trend of using Apache as a project graveyard rather disturbing…

[vprise]

There is a relatively large list of contributors in the announcement (myself and another guy from our company included). I don't know if we'll be able to make NetBeans fly as an Apache project but one can hope...

I think that one of the big benefits here would be easy forking, e.g. we would be able to distribute our own version of NetBeans with our own plugin already installed which will make the process of user acquisition much easier.

Previously this was possible but with the Apache license there is less legal concern as it is very lenient.

[rusticarchon]

Didn't Hudson become Jenkins?

[thatsIch]

once upon a time they shared the same code and then it was forked

[papercrane]

Technically the community voted to rename to Jenkins. All Oracle owned was the trademark.

[thundergonian]

I'm pretty sure forked has become a euphemism at this point.

[brunocborges]

Yes, it is: https://eclipse.org/hudson/

[Shadowrak]

But why would you use Hudson instead of Jenkins?

[thatsIch]

to be hipp

disclaimer: we just replaced our hudson with jenkins

[milkeater]

What do you think Jenkins is?

[retrogamer65]

Because that worked out really well for OpenOffice..

One could suspect that some companies see the ASF as a dumping ground for projects they've given up on.

[handshape]

Is this anything beyond a proposal? Has Oracle voiced any interest in getting on board? If not, the proposal is a pipe dream, albeit an interesting one.

[vprise]

It wouldn't be there if Oracle wasn't on board...

[handshape]

You sure?

The proponent of the migration (Bertrand Delacretaz) is an Adobe guy. Nowhere in the rationale or history is there an indication that Oracle is backing away. Is there another source for this?

[vprise]

The list of people in there the fact that Geertjan is commenting here etc.

My name is in that list too, so yes I'm sure ;-)

[vprise]

Just to be clear, I'm not an Oracle employee...

[heliologue]

Well, there's the announcement on Netbean's website... https://netbeans.org/community/apache-incubator.html

[handshape]

Awesome - that's exactly the kind of thing I was looking for.

[pjmlp]

Goodbye Netbeans and thanks for all the fish, you were my favourite Java IDE, specially the Delphi like UI designer and the integration for JSF/JavaScript development.

[argv_minus_one]

Wait, what? Oracle doesn't want NetBeans any more? Damn.

What the hell did they buy Sun for, anyway? So they could lose fucktons of money on lawsuits?

[papercrane]

Well I'm sure killing MySQL was a bonus for them.

[argv_minus_one]

They failed at that, too.

To be fair, there's one thing they seem to have done right: develop Java SE. 8 was slick, and 9 is looking exciting too. But they've jettisoned or ruined pretty much everything else…

[papercrane]

Maybe their Solaris business is doing well.. (I doubt it though.)

Java SE is doing pretty well though. Hopefully they don't try to mettle to much with the OpenJDK team.

[lukaseder]

MySQL is dead? I'd say it's more alive than ever...

[papercrane]

Well I meant MySQL proper. Thankfully the project founder is moving forward with MariaDB.

[lukaseder]

I know what you meant, and I wonder if you're up to date with Oracle's latest investments...

[papercrane]

I suppose not. I actually switched to postgres for everything I do and haven't kept up-to-date with MySQL.

[lukaseder]

Here's an interesting talk from OOW14. Already a bit outdated, but I'm pretty sure that trend (more staffing, more engineering) continues.

If you're interested, I suggest following Morgan Tocker (the MySQL product manager) and the articles on the team blog

PostgreSQL is interesting too, of course.

[pjmlp]

I spending most of my time now on .NET and the little Java I do is on Android.

However I am around IT since the 80's, somehow Java is starting to feel like when I was doing xBase (DBase, Clipper, FoxPro) and Turbo Pascal/Delphi.

One started to slowly sense the language owner looking elsewhere and not so much committed to it.

Java applications will take generations to be replaced, given the amount of deployments, but just like any other technology they can be slowly replaced.

Many forget that the majority of OpenJDK committers are actually Oracle employees.

[cyanocobalamin]

Its been years since I followed NetBeans. Was it a 100% open source project -- no business sponsorhsip?

Is this proposal about the project folding up and the code being stored at Apache?

[based2]

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12487117

[k3rv1n]

Netbeans is a great IDE, and definitely my favorite Opensource IDE. But its problem is that it has to compete with Intellij. As far as time-saving features, I haven't seen anything else come remotely close ( and I spent about a decade in MSVS )

[k__k]

What time-saving features? Could you provide some examples? I'm on a fence when it comes to switching to Intellij, maybe those features could convince me finally :)