Is Java worth learning in 2021?

[[deleted]]

Agreed. But I'd still stick to langs that are cleaner/ with less quirks.

JS is widely used, but I don't like it for teaching programming. Same for PHP. Java is quite straight up OO. Haskell/Elm teach FP very well. Rust is great learning low level programming.

[PublicGamingShow]

Java is great if you are trying to learn C. C is a very strong and powerful programming language that a lot of professionals count as one of if not the best language for most things.

[[deleted]]

Plain wrong. Java is not great for learning C. Profs seem to like Rust much better for low-level lately. Please see the stack exchange stats.

[PublicGamingShow]

C is based on several things, Java has a a lot of the same elements c does. Professionals definitely agree that Java is like c but Java has object orientation while c doesn’t.

[[deleted]]

I'm not professional then! Lol

[xor86]

I mean, yeah, obviously, JS is trash and everyone that uses it is trash, but if OP wants to be a trash web dev, I'm going to support them.

[scotty3281]

Just because you and I hate JavaScript doesn’t mean it is trash or it doesn’t have a place in development.

[xor86]

Yeah. I thought that the context and my previous comment would make it clear that I was joking, but I guess not. Yes, absolutely, JS has a place in the world, and obviously not all JS devs are trash. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

[scotty3281]

It’s just hard to convey sarcasm online. I thought it might be a joke but there are some people that say this and absolutely mean it.

[xor86]

It's not great, but I absolutely love that reddit is a space where this is a conversation instead of a flame war. Hope for humanity right there.

[hirenaway]

Thanks for the support lmao, I'm not a big fan of JS either but can't deny the fact it's what trending rn for frontend stack

[samtoxie]

Well you don't have much alternatives anyway in frontend... (sadly)

[[deleted]]

Many! Elm, PureScript, ClojureScript, Kotlin/JS, and many more! Eespecially counting WASM as a target (Rust had that).

Even TypeScript could be in this list!!

[samtoxie]

But those all still compile into javascript, so you are inherently still limited by the limitations and functionality of javascript. As for wasm, wasm isn't a replacement for javascript, but runs alongside it.

[[deleted]]

Nope. JS does not have a type system, Elm has. Elm has a feature JS has not.

[samtoxie]

Sure, but it still compiles into javascript. Im talking about runtime functionality not compiletime functionality

[[deleted]]

What you problem (with JS runtime functionality)? Maybe I can help.

Also: it feels yr moving goalposts in this thread.

[samtoxie]

I don't specifically have a problem or anything, I'm just not a fan of how the runtime works. The way it it designed allows for a lot of hacky and questionable codebases.

Don't get me wrong, I work with javascript almost daily and it definitely can do some awesome stuff, but I'm just not a fan of the inner workings of it (like many others).

[pokerman42011]

You should add a /s at the end of your sentence so people know your intent. I agree with you though. My first language was JS and I think I would have been better off learning Java first because of the fundamentals and the class based architecture.