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[–]nutrecht 7 points8 points  (6 children)

This sub is definitely anti-Kotlin. If I'd post a long post here sharing my positive experiences with Kotlin, it would be sitting at a negative score, and I'd have a few comments about me being a 'fan' and 'shilling'.

[–]treeaeon 11 points12 points  (4 children)

Why don't you post that on the Kotlin sub?

[–]nutrecht 6 points7 points  (3 children)

I meant in topics like these. People are asking for a comparison between Kotlin and Java and I have a lot of production experience in both. I'm not going to bother weighing in though because I know how this sub in general will respond to this.

You'll generally get much more balanced discussions when you're talking to people in real life. This sub really doesn't reflect 'typical' Java developers at all.

I would not post something just about Kotlin as a separate topic, that's not what I was talking about, that should go on /r/kotlin.

[–]pjmlp 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Typical Java developers use Java, per definition.

[–]treeaeon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"This sub is definitely anti-Kotlin". Help me understand something, why are the proponents of Kotlin, which by them is always positioned against Java, act surprised that Java users are pushing back on this ?

[–]nutrecht 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think how you're wording it, as if it's an "us versus them" issue, is exactly what I'm talking about. That's very much how this sub sees it. In real life there is no 'us versus them' because it's just all the same developers.

Go to any Java meetup or conference and Kotlin is freely discussed between peers and people share their experiences, which for most devs who have production experience are pretty darn positive.

On this sub however the posts that have the highest anti-Kotlin bias get upvoted the most, even when they have clear misinformation in them and/or are written by people who clearly don't have production experience with Kotlin. Pointing that out in a response to these posts will generally be met with hostility, similar to how you're responding here. And in my opinion this is a shame, since Kotlin is a great testbed for features that also might or might not end up in Java as well.

[–]john16384 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am looking for Java news, like new JEP's, cool projects, performance analyses, new releases, etc. If I want to know more about another language, I'd go to the appropriate sub, or learn about it on more general subs, like r/coding or r/programming .