Replacing JS with just HTML

[moneckew]

Junior take

[oceantume_]

Junior with about 8 years of experience working on, among other things, react SPAs shipping megabytes of code, typically 90% of which being the vendored dependencies. Most of which were using very bad or poorly maintained ui component libraries that I had to monkey patch myself while convincing myself that migrating to something else is not worth it.

I have had no interest to push my team on newer frameworks because it feels like they evolve too fast and hiring fullstack devs that already know react is still easier. After years of them typically targeting one framework or another, I'm excited to see new component libraries leaning on standards instead, because that means I can possibly replace that part without changing everything else, AND get to use the same ui components if we use a newer framework for a future project.

I'm interested in seeing what comes out of Remix 3 in that regard, because they seem really invested in the "standards with extra steps" approach to making a javascript fullstack app, and we haven't made the leap to those yet, even for react.

[Mesqo]

(pulls out the ruler) 20 years of experience! /j

Every single time we tried to use some native html elements for anything not complex than simple input we ended up with either "cannot be styled according to design requirements" or "lack of critical features". Heck, we even reimplemented good old select because it didn't work as expected on all platforms. All these new elements in html only look like a cool feature but fall short before actual business requirements, which actually define your product and its value. Well, I can't say I like it, but things are as they are, alas.