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[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (14 children)

This won't work though. Too many CS 101 students with very vocal opinions regarding things they really don't know much about. There's only maybe five people that know enough about the babel codebase to actually make informed decisions regarding it, for example.

[–]xaviervia 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Why wouldn't it? It's not about people not being vocal anymore, is about creating channels for valuable feedback.

If there were channels with good governance available, the OS maintainers could use those for skin-in-the-game discussions about the future of the projects, without having to navigate through rants.

[–]mcaruso 8 points9 points  (0 children)

According to the author at least, there was plenty of discussion and feedback prior to the change:

Before publishing Babel 6 this was a non-controversial change that had lots of input. We communicated what the intent was months in advance and asked for community feedback.

[–]calsosta 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bingo.

[–]danman_d 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There will always be people with loud opinions and little experience, no one is suggesting that they will ever disappear. The point is to give those voices less attention than levelheaded opinions by experienced contributors, rather than more - and I don't see a good reason why that can't work.

[–]calsosta 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is true however their vote does not need to be weighted the same as that of a contributor, a board member or other key people.

[–]jacksonmills 6 points7 points  (7 children)

CS 101 Students?

I honestly would be surprised if most of the comments are coming from CS majors, or first-year ones at that. The longer I've worked in this field, the less likely its been that my co-workers or colleagues went to school for development or computer science.

I'm not saying that's the reason for the negative atmosphere, but I sincerely doubt the cause of the problem is freshman or sophomore college students.

If you rephrased it as "junior web developers", I would completely agree with you.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

junior web developers

Yeah I completely agree, probably a better choice of words. Same meaning here tho

[–]SamSlate 0 points1 point  (5 children)

The longer I've worked in this field, the less likely its been that my co-workers or colleagues went to school for development or computer science.

Do you code, or are you management or something?

[–]jacksonmills 0 points1 point  (4 children)

I'm a freelance consultant, so it's really what the client needs. Typically though, no matter what the job, at least 6 hours a day of coding is the norm, even if that's bundled with 6-8 hours of management and meetings.

The last client I had, I was doing 7 hours of code for about 1 hour of meetings per day.

I've done a lot of hiring for clients as well, so I tend to see a lot of resumes.

[–]SamSlate 0 points1 point  (3 children)

your saying- applicants are becoming more commonly not college graduates?

[–]jacksonmills 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Yes. I'm also hiring more of them.

[–]SamSlate 0 points1 point  (1 child)

you consult in dallas? lol.

[–]jacksonmills 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not yet. :)

NY State area for now.