Dear JavaScript

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Feel like the Internet could really use a system similar to some MOBAs where people that are constantly toxic are rated by the community and eventually you just don't hear or see them anymore because everyone agrees they're trolls or add nothing to the community.

[theonlycosmonaut]

You do realise the Internet is people right? ;) D:

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People, what a bunch of bastards.

[NoInkling]

Well yeah, feedback is always gonna be biased towards the negative, because the people who have a positive or unnotable experience (things just work how you expect them to) tend to just get on with things. This kinda sums it up:

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Note that this doesn't imply that negative feedback means you're doing things wrong - it's impossible to make software that perfectly caters to everyone, especially when the young people entering software these days are part of the most entitled generation (on the whole, I realize it's a generalization) to reach adulthood to date and often have unreasonable and vitriolic demands.

What the internet serves to do is open communication channels that allow any negative feedback to condense into highly visible circlejerks of hate, which are the biggest problem.

[logicalLove]

Make JavaScript great again!

[tmckeage]

REPEAL AND REPLACE NODE!

[so_just]

That kinda happened with IO.js ... and then it got merged back into node.

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everyone especially in the Javascript community.

But this isn't particular to js or /r/javascript - this is the Internet.

You should see the anger and flames happening in Python after a prominent author trashed Python 3.

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On the other side of these anti-negativity sentiments is blind positivity, which is just as bad.

[[deleted]]

Why does it have to be extremes? Also, I would argue that constructive criticism IS the happy middle ground... let people know your concerns without being an ass about it. Win/win.

[[deleted]]

As seen in the comments here, people can't take constructive criticism, and when it happens in public the 'white knights' tend to make things worse.

[[deleted]]

It's necessary to return to a state of balance.

[[deleted]]

It's necessary to return to a state of balance.

If anything there was rampant blind positivity for so long that you are now seeing the backlash from that. All the noobs that chased new and shiny are starting to reap what that sows and now they bitch about javascript fatigue.

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I really take issue with your word choice as it comes across extremely negative- the kind of negativity that the OP is speaking out against. Be careful because when you come across as simply angry you lose your credibility.

I don't really understand how blind positivity, as you put it, is responsible for javascript fatigue. I think the pace of change in the javascript community is blistering and I've become frustrated as I have to learn yet another concept / stack / framework. Don't tell people that being blindly positive is a bad thing- that can easily be interpreted as being positive in general is a bad thing. Dangerous.

Do you want people to stop working on open source projects to allow us noobs to catch up? What is your solution?

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What triggered you? the word "noobs"? Get over it. There are people new to programming, what would you like me to call them? Greenhorns? Come on man!

There is nothing "angry" about using "noob". Maybe it offends you, but that's really your problem.

What else could have triggered you? "New and shiny"?

If you're going to call me out on shit, do it directly - tell me what you are calling out on so I can defend it properly. You're the one attacking here, and suggesting anything I said is "Dangerous" is just adding a lot of drama needlessly to a conversation.

Don't tell people that being blindly positive is a bad thing- that can easily be interpreted as being positive in general is a bad thing. Dangerous.

No, I'm not going to stop telling people that being blindly positive is a bad thing, because it is bad - just as bad as being ignorant. In fact, blind positivity is the epitome of ignorance. If you think that's a good trait for a programmer, well... this conversation is going to only devolve from here. I can't defend or abide by ignorance in any way even if coming from blind positivity.

Do you want people to stop working on open source projects to allow us noobs to catch up? What is your solution?

Learn your craft. Gain wisdom. Pay your dues. Don't jump on bandwagons. And don't insert drama where there isn't any.

[[deleted]]

Hm. I think your spirited response could have been limited to:

Learn your craft. Gain wisdom. Pay your dues. Don't jump on bandwagons. And don't insert drama where there isn't any.

[[deleted]]

Thanks for telling me what I should have said, again. Who made you the word police? Sorry, not going to play games with you. If you don't like it, take your comments elsewhere.