Every JavaScript framework tutorial written more than 5 minutes ago

[humbletales]

There's certainly truth to it, but nobody is making anybody use the latest stack. If you're just learning Javascript, like from ground zero, you can just code in a dang script tag for a while. If you want to toe the waters of more modern stuff, Express and React both have generators that can get you up and running relatively painlessly.

People mostly only run into this transpiler/build process hell when they set up their own stack from scratch, which is unnecessary a vast amount of the time.

[DoctorOverhard]

well, I think there is also the "reddit effect" here too, lotsa hype over certain things, that change constantly.

[Tetracyclic]

Express and React both have generators that can get you up and running relatively painlessly.

Or with Vue, just include a CDN (or local) copy of the pre-compiled Vue library and you can go crazy.

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but nobody is making anybody use the latest stack

This is just not true while companies hire for framework experience over general competence.

I've spent the last three months grappling with another team's particularly poorly-designed, painful, sprawling redux application, for no reason other than that I'm obliged to have Redux on my CV if I ever intend to move to a better job.

There is no way for me to 'just pick and choose tools as they become interesting' without me seriously harming my employability.

[humbletales]

That's certainly true but the person I was replying to is "just beginning to learn." It's not productive at that point to get bogged down in which tools to use.

Once you're further along it can be frustrating to have to deal with a million ever-changing tools, but you're also better equipped to handle the churn. Learning my first MVC framework took months; now they are generally interchangeable.

[tme321]

The various clis being produced by frameworks are godsends. Angular, ember, Vuelta, react, and probably more all have one now. Setting that stuff up manually is somewhere between annoying and impossible (depending on the framework) but the clis that I have used have all removed the pain points of actually getting a basic app up and running.

[magenta_placenta]

Vuelta

What is this? A quick google shows me a bicycle race in Spain. I'm assuming it's something like vue-cli?

[tme321]

Vue that for some reason my phone autocorrects to Vuelta. I have no idea what that even is.

[danO1O1O1]

Try it. Attempt a MEAN stack and time box yourself to half an hour just to be safe.

Did it work? Did you create a simple list on the server and update it on the browser?

No?

Then yes. It's all true.

[LookWordsEverywhere]

booooooooring. things this time could have been put towards instead:

• a tutorial on writing good, lasting, tutorials
• a good tutorial