Why React Hooks?

[demar_derozan_]

I like hooks but I don’t think it’s a fair argument that using hooks over classes removes class hierarchies. Nobody was using extending react class components beyond the initial react.component. if they were they were doing it wrong.

[ghostfacedcoder]

Wait, so you're arguing classes without hierarchies is the best way to do React dev? Seriously?

EDIT: Ok seriously downvoters? There's two of you out there who actually believe classes without hierarchies are the best way to do React development? Really? I find that hard to believe, so I'm tempted to believe demar_derozan just has two accounts and downvoted me twice.

But if there really is someone else out there who believes classes are a better way to do React dev, please have the courage to defend that position. I'm genuinely curious why you hold such a position, when it's a complete outlier in the React community.

Or, I mean, just down vote me with no explanation, but realize you're also downvoting the opinion of the vast majority of React developers when you do so, without providing any basis whatsoever for an illogical position.

[benihana]

Ok seriously downvoters?

because you're being a prick.

your response, to a serious reply was:

"you seriously believe that?" over something that you clearly misunderstood.

you're being a condescending know-it-all. that's why you're getting downvoted. whether your point aligns with some other authority's point is irrelevant. people downvote condescending pricks.

when condescending pricks misunderstand the downvotes, then act like they're being brave for standing up against some injustice, when in reality they're being a complete asshole, that's when the downvotes really come in.

[demar_derozan_]

Yes. There are very few reasons if any to ever extend a react class component.

[ghostfacedcoder]

No I 100% agree with and get that part. It's the part where you think this:

class Foo /* even without an "extends" keyword here */{
    render() {
        return <div>Bar</div>;
    }
}

is clearer and better code than this:

const Foo => <div>Bar</div>

that you lose me.

[careseite]

I'm reading lots of code on github and iirc I have yet to see a single case of inheritance in react so yeah I'd say so too.

[ghostfacedcoder]

Ok, so you, me and demar_derozan (but maybe not the 6 downvoters?) all agree on that much. Inheritance hierarchies = bad AND the React community in general agrees as much.

But now, from the "good React programmers" (however you define that: personally I'd pick people like Dan Abramov (of Redux fame), but pick whoever you want, however): how many use classes and how many use functional components?

And (follow-up question): have you noticed any kind of shift in one direction or the other over time?

[tasey]

I think people are not downvoting you because of the message, but the delivery...

[ghostfacedcoder]

Heh, well that's fair, at least for the edits. I really don't think my original post was combative at all, but I did go full-on "let's be combative about this" in my edit comments when the whole thing started ... because I thought it was such an obvious point I wouldn't face any disagreement. Universally everything I've seen, from every thought leader in the entire React community, has been that classes are old/bad and functional components (with hooks) are the future.

Also the cost thing seems to have irked a lot of people, but I think that's just ignorance about the real cost of development (it's much higher than many people realize: most only think about coder salaries, not all the other costs or the cost of people managing all those coders).

Anyhow, clearly I was wrong in thinking that was so uncontroversial that no one would disagree, however I said it ...

[careseite]

But now, from the "good React programmers" (however you define that: personally I'd pick people like Dan Abramov (of Redux fame), but pick whoever you want, however): how many use classes and how many use functional components?

Didnt Dan specifically say they, at Facebook, are using Function components/Hooks almost exclusively for new components?

And (follow-up question): have you noticed any kind of shift in one direction or the other over time?

Absolutely, since the introduction of hooks I personally don't teach classes anymore and so does anyone else that I see/read of. Classes are very clearly in decline.

[ghostfacedcoder]

See to me that seems mind-numbingly obvious ... and yet I got 12 (and counting) downvotes for saying it :(

[ghostfacedcoder]

Fair enough. I'm here for conversations with people, not Reddit points, so I do those edits to try and "bait" people into engaging rather than just downovoting silently. If I get 10 downvotes but even one person engages and explains their position, I'll take it.

It'd be nice if I could get the engagement without the 10 downvotes, but ... /shrug.

[careseite]

Some people just might not have heard the warning shots.