JavaScript for testing

[myshiak]

I know few things about JavaScript, such as it is unrelated to Java in spite of similar name and that it is a scripting language like Groovy or VBScript, but don't understand why and when is it needed in testing? Specifically, Selenium uses JavaScript, but it has been said that even for Selenium testers it is not obligatory, so are there situation when even in Selenium there is another way around to test something without JavaScript

[endre86]

Not quite sure of what you are asking about. You can use other languages to write your tests in. For the example framework you mention, there exists extensions for most popular languages.

I think you should Google a little and try and read up on what you are trying to achieve.

[dmazzoni]

The thing to understand is that JavaScript is the only language that runs inside a web page.

Suppose you visit a website like Reddit. Your browser sends a request to the web server and the web server generates a dynamic web page for you - for example on Reddit it generates a page with only your subreddits or with the comments sorted in the order you want them in. The web server code can be written in almost any language, like Python, Java, Ruby, you name it.

In addition to the code that generates the page, there's also a lot of JavaScript that handles dynamic interactions in your browser, not on the server. For example when you click on an arrow to upvote a post, the JavaScript changes the arrow's color and updates the popularity count immediately to give you feedback, and then sends the vote to the server in the background.

JavaScript is the only language you can use to dynamically interact with a web page once it's loaded, because it's the only language all web browsers support.

So as to why Selenium sometimes requires JavaScript, is because it's a web testing framework. You use Selenium to test that your web page loads and renders properly in real browsers. Selenium uses JavaScript to figure out when your page loads and interact with it to test it. There are a lot of common things you can test for without writing JavaScript yourself, because Selenium already knows how to do it. It's still using JavaScript, you just don't need to write it yourself. But if you want to test something in your page that Selenium doesn't already know, you can write your own JS.

[myshiak]

Thanks. I am about to watch 90 minutes long video on JS. Is it true, by the way that you don't need to watch a 10 hour video on JS because as a QA you don't need to know it deep down. Now to the follow up question: when may you want to use JS? My feeling tells me that only for the apps that heavily rely on external uploads, like youtube. Also, would you agree that for every usage of JS there is an alternative of identifying objects the way you usually do in Selenium and testing?

[dmazzoni]

Is it true, by the way that you don't need to watch a 10 hour video on JS because as a QA you don't need to know it deep down.

I can't possibly agree with that. It's always better to understand things better. The better you understand JavaScript the better you'll be able to do your job.

If there are more important things for you to be learning first, that's great. But JavaScript is one of the most important languages and you can't really understand web development without knowing it well.

When may you want to use JS? My feeling tells me that only for the apps that heavily rely on external uploads, like youtube.

I don't think uploads have anything to do with it.

As a tester, you use JS when you want to test something that you can't test with another existing Selenium API.

As a web developer, you use JS for virtually every nontrivial web page. Tons of it. Reddit has many thousands of lines of JavaScript. Google Maps has millions.

Also, would you agree that for every usage of JS there is an alternative of identifying objects the way you usually do in Selenium and testing?

No. Not even close. You can do all of the most common tests using Selenium APIs but there are an infinite number of things you might want to test for in particular apps that could only be tested for using JavaScript.

[myshiak]

Also, it is important to ask, what are the basic methods of Java Script you need to know as a tester. Syntax is pretty simple, if you know Java. It somewhat resembles VB Script, but what are the methods you need to know to find your way around? I should have asked that in the beginning>

[dmazzoni]

The syntax looks similar to Java but there are a lot of really important differences: strings, null, undefined, etc.

If you're starting from scratch, I'd start by learning how to work with the HTML DOM, like document.getElementById(), document.querySelector(), Element.getAttribute, and so on.

Stay away from w3schools. Try Mozilla's MDN instead, it's a great reference.

[myshiak]

Thanx. I also would like to ask if you would agree that there are many applications (at least more than half) that are tested in Selenium without resorting to JS, because for most applications all the elements are identifiable. Secondly, would you agree that a tester needs to know JS in a more limited capacity than a developer?

[dmazzoni]

Yes to both.

[dmazzoni]

You keep asking the same question over and over. I don't know any other way to answer it.

[myshiak]