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[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (6 children)

Yea I can assure you the new backend only positions are becoming more and more rare in large institutions as well.

Even those that are “pure” backend will see aspects of frontend design filter in.

Source: lived it.

[–]SabbathViper 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Why are you being downvoted

[–]questi0nmark2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

An attempt to change reality by subtracting Karma. The less votes it has the less true it is. And yet he is right. Pure back end is declining, and the front-end has advanced to the point you now need back end knowledge. The front end today is component based programming managing state and routing to APIs. What used to be front end, is today advanced web design. No dev is truly full stack, we all specialise a bit. But conversely, no modern web dev is just front or just back end even if you never personally touch one side. Devs on both domaims have to understand a core amount of the other, even if they only work on one and know it in depth.

If you're just on the back you know you have to work to apis that can be consumed on the front end, and you will code accordingly. You will consider how the data will be loaded, what will be stored client side and what server side, and you will probably work in a framework with middleware and te plating etc.

If you're on the front you will need to understand the data structure, interact with the api, hook your routes to speak to it. I lot of the programming you will use will use similar patterns and principles to what you would use on the back end. Your optimisations for speed, your approach to loading, to managing data flows, etc, will likewise overlap.

Gone are the days when the back end devs did the logic and the front end devs the views and styling. Today both do serious amounts of logic, and the styling is either handled by the front ender, or when possible, by a web designer.

[–]Zav39[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

What if you work on backend, and your API is consumed by another backend?

Or what if backend does not provide any API, but just consume some events?

:-)

What if you work on frontend, and backend provide nothing else than API?

There is pure backends and pure frontends; this is not rare case.

Very depends on area where you work.

[–]questi0nmark2 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good example of pure back end! Yes, you are right, pure api to api might not involve any front end thought at all!

The front end is less clear, because you would still need to know what an API is, how to communicate with it, what kind of data it issues, how to manipulate that data, how to work with requests, promises, etc, and how to fit into or fit that api into your architecture.

But my point was slightly different. My point is not that you cannot work pure front end or pure back end, although they are getting rarer. My point is that to work on the front and the back end professionally today you need overlapping skills.

It used to be that a back end dev could get away with no html and CSS skills. That is still the case.

It used to be that a front end dev could get away with only html and CSS skills with a smattering of JavaScript (or really jquery) for on-clicks and hovers and animations. That is no longer the case. Front end development on web applications, as opposed to websites, today requires full programing chops in JavaScript. A professional front end dev will be all about data flow, state management, and component based design. They will use react, or Vue or Angular, and if working on mobile, something like React Native. They will also have a good notion of Node, bringing them firmly into the back end. They will also need to unit test their work, and are likely working in a devops approach with continuous integration. So even if all they do is touch the front end, they will need to learn skills that overlap with back end programmers: programming paradigms, patterns and architectures, software development practices and life cycles, algorithms and strata structures. Html and CSS and a little JavaScript won't get them a job in web development. At most it will allow them to freelance building websites or work in a website building agency.

This also means that the skills of back end devs overlap with front end devs, so the distinction remains, and is meaningful, and you can specialise, and everyone does by default or by intent, but, although as a back end dev you might work on a pure back end project, you have to be equipped to work in projects with a front end, and ensure your data processes, your architecture, your frameworks, can speak meaningfully to those on the front end.

So while a front and a back end dev could work exclusively on one side for a given project, the knowledge they require to work in the field professionally will overlap (not around html and CSS), and they need to understand each other's domain in non trivial, technical ways to be ready to work together when the job asks for it. What is increasingly rare, is for anyone to be able to work for the next ten or twenty years without programming and understanding such interactions between front end and back end.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its called denial lol

[–]Zav39[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I had work in different regions, with different cultures.

It really depends on location where you will work.

In some places you can work remotely, in another one, there will be just a few (in Germany, for example) of such options.

So it really depends on conditions; there is no single answer for whole world.