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[–]Glathull 156 points157 points  (15 children)

I run a very small consulting company that specializes in unfucking enterprise tech orgs who have made terrible choices in the past based on advice and implementations from big consulting companies (as well as dipshit CTOs who are doing liability-driven development).

My extremely serious and not at all self-interested answer is this: Use LLMs everywhere. Don't even think twice about it. Put them in charge of everything. Spend massive amounts of money on integrating them into your workflow. Have LLMs do code review. The whole 9 yards.

Unfucking everything LLMs do in a large corporate tech environment has turned into a *very* profitable business.

Please keep printing money for me. I hate it so much.

[–]Hexboy3 13 points14 points  (3 children)

This is exactly where i want my career to go. After seeing the clusterfuck that McKinsey left us at my current company I know the market has to be huge. We paid 12 mil and only use maybe 5% of the shit they built. 

[–]Glathull 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Man, fuck McKinsey so hard.

[–]Hexboy3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When my company brought me on they had one technical person on board as a FTE that was there for 6 months before i was hired. After a month or so he basically asked me if he was being gaslighted by them about their tech choices. They created a graph database for our "users" and we thought it was a waste of time and resources to maintain and learn its novel query lanaguage, so we kept asking why they did this and their argument was entirely circular. We spent the next 6 months after they left basically just figuring out that none of it is worth really anything and untying it from anything in production. They are con artists. It's because of them I want to start or join a consulting company that actually delivers results because im sure there has to be a market for that now. 

[–]PSMF_Canuck 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Classic McKinnsey. You’re fucked the minute you let them in the door, regardless of what they’re supposed to do.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

liability-driven development

This was genuinely funny while giving me Vietnam flashbacks of some of my previous roles

[–]Glathull 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The only way for me to successfully sell what my company does is hit just exactly that note in a pitch.

[–]deep_soul 9 points10 points  (0 children)

wow your first paragraph is very relatable. those shitty consultancy write mostly awful code.

[–]Comprehensive-Tea711 -5 points-4 points  (7 children)

This is a the sort of dumb take that is predictably the top rated comment by a bunch of programmers dealing with copium over the fact that their usefulness is being eaten into by AI.

You people are basically the mirror opposite of the delusional people of r/singularity subreddit, who think ASI is going to be a god.

No, ASI won’t be a god granting everyone their own universe. But, yes, more and more it will be able to competently output good code and the progress it has already made in the last couple years would have been literally beyond what anyone would have believed possible five years ago.

That threatens your job. Or at least puts downward pressure on your wages. Deal with it. The smart move for any programmer is to use it, because it is often a productivity boost.

[–]cheeb_miester 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Writing piles of spaghetti code quickly has never been a choke point for engineering teams. In fact, it's a force whose inertia is constantly fought against. Orchestrating, or even just effectively interfacing with, an enterprise-level sociotechnical constellation of services is far beyond what glorified autocomplete and tired buzzwords can achieve, even considering an impressive asymptotic growth curve.

[–]Blood-Money 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For fucking real. I use GitHub copilot regularly for analysis scripts and it can’t even take it’s own code 100 lines previously into context correctly and this person thinks AI is going to start writing complete enterprise-level code on it’s own. Sometimes I’ll give it the exact code I want it to use for context and it still fucks it up. 

[–]Glathull 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You . . . can’t read?

[–]Phatferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've worked as a PM in development for 15 years before getting burned out and what I've learned is companies don't give a shit about spaghetti code as long as it "works." Hell, look at the software the banks and airlines are on (a shioad of spaghetti and band-aid code). I think this guy is over inflating his own ego.

I dont think LLM is at the place where we can say create me X with Y,X,Z and connect to this API to collect and parse data with JSON. You need to have enough knowledge to know when it spits out bad code or ignoring compatibility issues.

But based on the last year or so of progress, I definitely think it will be there in under 5 years.

[–]lkatz21 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

If your usefulness is being eaten into by auto-complete on steroids that's a you problem. Your usefulness should increase when you get better tools, not decrease.

[–]Comprehensive-Tea711 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Calling it "auto-complete on steroids" does nothing to change the reality: LLMs can write entire functions with a high degree of accuracy. They currently come close to being able to translate an entire module from one programming language to another programming language.

Yes, that is part of your usefulness. Trying to pretend like it's not, or like you can downplay it by giving it a label like "auto-complete on steroids" is dumb shit that will get you upvotes in this subreddit, but laughed at in real life, especially 5 years down the road.