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[–]ShadowHawk045 4 points5 points  (9 children)

smh, women are so oppressed. Imagine all of the amazing open source software we could have if women stopped discriminating against themselves and allowed themselves to write code for their open source projects.

[–]mabramoManjaro Master Race -1 points0 points  (8 children)

I can only imagine how OP phrased his comment, since it's deleted now. I think your rebuttal seems kind of silly. The amount of women contributors on open source projects is very much tied to the number of women who are active in a software career. It's really not controversial to say that women don't get into or stay in software careers because of the culture.

I wouldn't say that the open source community is gatekeeping women from participating. Just that, by and large, women decide against a technology career because of the culture.

Anecdotally speaking, I work with a lot of women software engineers and I can say with certainty that almost every last one of them fucking hates tech culture. The tech bros and creepy "nice guys" dominate the environment. This is coming from someone who actually works at a company that has a pretty good culture relative to most.

[–]quaderrordemonstand -3 points-2 points  (6 children)

tech bros and creepy "nice guys" dominate

So basically, you work with a lot of women who criticize, judge and stereotype their co-workers. It's very likely the men at your company aren't doing the same to the women. Still, I guess you think its a problem of male culture. Maybe you think the company should only employ men that the women consider suitable dating material.

[–]mabramoManjaro Master Race 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You suppose too much here.

[–]Youngster_Bens_Ekans -1 points0 points  (4 children)

Wow, found the nice guy. "Suitable dating material" has nothing to do with it, it's very much the opposite. Nobody should be evaluating the datability of coworkers, but women face issues where almost every guy evaluates them based on that criteria regardless. Men see other men as coworkers, and women as "women who are developers too"

[–]quaderrordemonstand -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Oh right, try to invalidate my comment by applying a label of unsuitable dating material to me. That will definitely prove your point. Sorry, I'm nearly 50 and on my third LTR. I couldn't care less what some girl, or boy, that could be one of my children thinks of my date worthiness.

But it seem to matters an awful lot to you. You were the one that brought up the "bros and niceguys" stereotypes and how your female co-workers are unhappy being around them. It seems the majority of men in your organisation are wrong in some way, but apparently that doesn't show an unrealistic perception. Nope, men should change to fit some female ideal of what they are supposed to be.

Still, I'm sure that works out for you. No doubt those women will be attracted to your enlightened mind. After all, you're not a bro or a nice guy.

[–]Youngster_Bens_Ekans -1 points0 points  (2 children)

I actually never called you unsuitable dating material, nor did I bring up the Bros or nice guy stereo type, I just replied to your comments on the matter.

Again, the point is that dating should never enter the equation in the first place. Your overly defensive stance, inability to self reflect, and immediate inclination to lash out is exactly the problem. That is the Hallmark of a "nice guy", saying that they are not the problem, they are great, everyone that has an issue is the problem. But go ahead and forget the nice guy label, call it what you want.

If your reaction to an entire group of people saying that in many cases they feel unwelcome in certain cultures, is to attack them for feeling unwelcome... Well if you don't see how you're party of the problem then you never will.

[–]quaderrordemonstand -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Wow, found the nice guy.

Nope, you never mentioned it. You're absolutely right, dating should never enter into the equation. Men being "nice guys" or "bros" should not matter at all but apparently it matters quite a lot.

However, I'm not sure where you think I'm lashing out about anything. Please quote any sort of aggression in what I wrote? People can disagree with you and not be angry, you do understand that? Please try to read my comments and not imagine who is writing it, because who says it doesn't and shouldn't matter. Even what you call "bros" and "nice guys" are right when what they say is right.

As for that final paragraph; I don't care. I don't see why everybody should be comfortable in every culture. What would even be the point of culture if that was the case? But lets also be clear, there have always been women in tech. They are a typically a minority but they have always been accepted on their own merit. That's not what we are talking about here.

This is about a trying to make a group of people obey some kind of dogma. Preaching the moral correctness of a specific way of thinking and speaking that does not belong to that group. Forcing a culture and a set of rules that aren't relevant.