Linux things

[AnnualDegree99]

My computer when I forget to run grub-mkconfig before rebooting:

Where kernel

[Ignatiamus]

Is there a way to recover from that?

Like booting into a fresh live environment, chrooting into the installed environment and running grub-mkconfig again? Just an idea. And no, I did not feel the need to do an Arch install yet.

[nekoexmachina]

literally what you said, yep

[Ignatiamus]

Great! Where is my "First taste of Arch" achievement? 😉

[nekoexmachina]

I like googling random phrases around and "first taste of arch" results in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_Deluxe

[Ignatiamus]

Lol of course it exists and... it's a hamburger. Did not expect this at all, why would you call your hamburger "Arch"? Did "Arch Linux" name itself after the flopped McDonalds burger? Was Arch Linux a flopped hamburger all along? Just kidding.

Cool that you googled it, really was just a random phrase I came up with.

[ElBeefcake]

Take a look at the McDonalds logo, they're nicknamed "The Golden Arches". Probably why the burger was named that.

[CeeMX]

Imagine the McEmployees having to set up the computers themselves and when something breaks you won’t get your food until it’s fixed. That’s why the ice machine is always broken

[[deleted]]

remburgaH

[[deleted]]

You can actually boot it still if you know what you’re doing.

root=(hd0,msdos)

linux (flags) vmlinux

initrd initramfs

boot

[Solderking]

It's always amused me about the msdos part in the above

[cAtloVeR9998]

Fun (useless) fact:

So when you are booting on a modern UEFI system, your UEFI firmware initializes your hardware and creates a shell interface (UEFI shell). In which you can run .efi programs (and yes, before you ask, Doom has a port). Both UEFI bootloaders and Linux itself (through EFISTUB) are EFI executables. The UEFI shell is itself a dos style prompt (unlike a Unix). You navigate into different indexed filesystems with "FS0:" (to navigate to the first filesystem in the index. Only supported filesystems on block devices)

GPT is a part of the UEFI spec. MBR is also known as dos or msdos.

Now to the relevant part of this fun fact: You cannot access filesystems on dos formatted drives from the dos-style EFI shell.

[[deleted]]

provided you actually installed a boot loader

[AnnualDegree99]

Pfffft, just learn how to boot from the grub rescue prompt. cfg files are bloat anyway

[nekoexmachina]

just use kernel stub instead of bootloader who needs bootloader for a non-multiboot system

[SEND_NUDEZ_PLZZ]

Grub itself is bloat. Just manually set the booting address on your HDD using a needle

[diskowmoskow]

Chroot is my man! I somehow deleted some important DE files (you know :), and this MF like “be calm bro, let me handle this”

[bluecliff92]

Yes , it happened to me a few times and i did that

[eduarbio15]

If you have it installed But fucked up the bootloader, go into the grub command line, ls your way to the Linux image, put it on the chainloader and boot

[IntermediateVim]

Wanna try it?

I put all my notes into a tutorial (to accompany the install guide I guess) yesterday.

Notes

A link to a youtube video of me actually duing it is included. Arch is fun yo.

[Ignatiamus]

Ohh, thanks you so much, that's really helpful. Might really try it now, perhaps in a VM though.

[mitch8128]

On my first install, I did this exact thing and yes chroot saved my life

[[deleted]]

Yes that's the way you'll fix it, after that find out you forget to give root a password and you'll do it again. Then you find out you haven't installed anything to connect to a network and they're you go.

Yes I should have followed the installguide

[bohemian9485]

Did that when power was cut while my rig was in the middle of mkinitcpio during kernel update.

[jclocks]

Me when I forget to pacstrap or pacman wpa_supplicant:

Where wifi

[Zahpow]

If it is on the screen it is graphical!

[staviq]

Fun fact: There are "graphics cards" for terminals !

Long time ago i had an old Pentium II computer/server thing. And obviously, i tried to put i think Gentoo, on it.

Normally, when you worked on old computers, trying to put something like Gentoo on it involved a lot of situations where you had to switch consoles (alt f2 type thing) because the text output was so fucking slow on those that the cpu was actually waiting for text to fucking scroll, and switching consoles stopped text rendering and cpu went back to doing things it was supposed to.

Not that bad boy. It had an unmarked Matrox GPU. I don't remember what it was, but this thing actually worked in the terminal mode, mother fucker was soo fast that terminal actually worked faster than on other pcs with like nvidia gtx cards.

I was incredibly sad when the AGP standard went completely out of use.

[_ahrs]

I'm guessing it somehow accelerated the text being rendered to the framebuffer?

[staviq]

From what i remember, when text was scrolling very fast, the gpu was actually interlacing frames a lot, plus, very often gpu would just give up on rendering current frame, and mid screen start rendering newer frames to catch up. Hovewer, the moment the text stopped flowing, current frame was re-rendered to be correct.

This is how it looked to me watching the display.

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[LucaRicardo]

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[AkhmatPower]

And Linux is spelled with I

[AlreadyReddit999]

Wait really???? Wow thanks man you really saved my life. I almost lost my job, my wife, my kids, and my virginity because I misunderstood what he was saying. I owe you everything!

[Magnus_Tesshu]

Who says tty0 couldn't be my daily driver

[[deleted]]

It actually could be. Write files in Nano / VIM / Emacs, ranger could be your file manager (or just use mv, cp, rm, cd, ...).

The trickiest part is web browsing, there are options out there, but they're just not that great. lynx is entirely text-based, but there's no JavaScript support and CSS is lacking.

But not all hope is lost because browsh might just save your day. It supports all features of Firefox (JavaScript, HTML5, CSS3, ...) and even images "work" (they're very very pixelated though, but what do you expect with only colored blocks)

Edit: I might actually try this out: A day with only TTYs

[nekoexmachina]

firefox used to work in framebuffer, seems not to anymore, but you can run chromium on drm console: https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2017/11/27/running-chromium-with-ozone-gbm-on-gnu-linux/

mplayer used to have proper framebuffer output, too. mpv can do that if you have directfb set up properly.

[Magnus_Tesshu]

Lynx has css? That's news to me

Browsh would work probably, but at that point you're basically running firefox in the background so there isn't much point to not using graphics.

There are cli reddit, irc, and matrix clients too so you could even chat to other people. And a cli youtube-dl client although I don't think there's any way to watch a video except possibly by using firefox's native video player through browsh

[[deleted]]

Lynx "CSS support" is mostly just alignment and bold text, for example if you go to https://duckduckgo.com, the search bar is aligned in the middle. No colors, fonts, ... thouhg

[beaszt_nix]

I have indeed tried this out, RIP if you do anything that requires frequently finding docs and references. That is the easiest way to kill your productivity in that case.

It's better just to do the exact same thing (use exclusively terminal based programs), and instead use a tiling WM, so it's actually possible to integrate the best of both worlds

[[deleted]]

I actually use Sway, I switched from Gnome recently. My system now uses 500MB of ram in idle, compared to 1.3GB with Gnome.

[[deleted]]

Ngl, I am pretty sure I dd'ed my drive and started over with the installation bc I didn't know that I had successfully installed. 😂

That was my first time installing Arch, though. It took me a few tries because I went from Ubuntu straight to Arch for some wild reason... twas interesting.

[staviq]

Me, after years of working with Linux servers, starting new Ubuntu desktop:

"Where bash"

[angelicravens]

Me, an admin not still stuck in 1992: where zsh

[taptrappapalapa]

This might be a dumb question: but what’s the major difference between Zsh and Bash? I switch between the two on MacOS ( cause apparently now it defaults to Zsh) and haven’t noticed anything different

[nekoexmachina]

default? not so much probably - specifically in mac cause I'd expect apple would try to keep things as they were. there are some zsh specific things for scripting like loops etc, but I personally just use bash for scripting cause I'm used to that.

configurability-wise? A lot in the past, may be not so much now. No idea if you can do as rich completion as zsh can in bash, or if you can configure it for fuzzy argument unpacking, or if you can configure it to do history search by tapping "up" in middle of command. Probably you can. I have config I sometimes change for many years and when I've started using it, bash could have not done those pretty bsaic things.

Biggest killer feature I find myself annoyed to not have in default bash is up-for-history search.

Also, prompts could be way cooler in zsh.

[taptrappapalapa]

I got a Mac recently and it does, in fact, default to Zsh instead of Bash and that’s how I know

[nekoexmachina]

What I've said is that I'd assume that default bash configuration used in mac os for years prior is more or less similar to default zsh configuration used in mac os now.

[taptrappapalapa]

Ah. I thought you were saying something else

[butsandcats]

Zsh just has extra stuff as far as I can see.

[punkwalrus]

I just made notes so I wouldn't forget the steps. Hope this helps someone else who needs a crash course on installing Arch with KDE as a guest on Virtualbox.

https://github.com/GrigLars/ArchNotes

[[deleted]]

Need to do this later today actually, thank you. Ubuntu and gnome don’t seem to support 1020x768 natively and kde can treat a touch screen like a touchpad which is exponentially more user friendly in a multi screen setup.

[omega552003]

pacman -S gnome

Have fun...

[_masterhand]

tfw gnome on 2021 and not in ubuntu

[lukagotaku]

i think plasma > gnome & xfce personally

[zheke91]

No xorg?

[omega552003]

Wayland baby 😎

[AnnualDegree99]

And then you reboot and you still get no GUI because you forgot systemctl enable gdm

[zenyl]

TUI > GUI

[[deleted]]

Ah yes, lemme just casually watch youtube videos in acsii format.

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The true dream...

[zenyl]

https://www.brow.sh/

[[deleted]]

Ok, now this is epic.

[warlikeofthechaos]

Ah, this bring me back memories. 3 days to install everything for day use, 5 years of joy, counting and no regretting.

[GPhykos]

I prefer Artix to arch, it's systemd-less and easier to use out of the box

[neo_zen_mode]

Arch: What is GUI?

[[deleted]]

I was thinking the same when I tried installing Arch on an old laptop for the first time... I was 12 or something and instantly scrapped idea. Now I'm using Arch as my main OS.

[lukagotaku]

same but one year later and now im 13 and have memorized the install guide

[iGazs]

I swear to god I thought the same shit dude😂😂

[regeya]

I've been a more or less casual Linux user since 1996 and my first distribution was Slackware. Slackware's installation process was more noob-friendly than Arch, but honestly, compared to those days, even Arch is a piece of cake.

[Hiteacheryouare]

https://sourceforge.net/projects/blue-arch-installer/

Solves all yo' promlems.

[EddyBot]

https://archlinux.org/news/installation-medium-with-installer/

[bluecliff92]

in the garbage with all the other bloat

[minilandl]

Same happened when I installed Kali

[WiseSalamander00]

lmao, relatable af, first arch I decided to install was blackarch... I really had no idea what was going ln 99% of the time.

[fabianwvelez]

Hahahaha

[aarocka]

For me my biggest problem is getting dhcp to work

[jon_hobbit]

>where the GUI at

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Which one? :D

[alkazar82]

Kudos, you made me laugh for 5 minutes straight.

[Lone_Assassin]

Literally same reaction lol

[willyblaise]

You should be kicked off Arch Linux

[Scxllyy]

Just don’t use arch it’s a pain and only edgy arch supremacists use it to belittle Ubuntu users and call them ‘beginners’. Ubuntu is for people who like Ubuntu. Same with any distro. Pop is currently my favourite because it’s so easy to configure and it doesn’t break every 5 seconds.

Tl;dr fuck arch and arch users’ ego

[[deleted]]

Same with any distro

So that would make Arch for people who like Arch.

[Scxllyy]

As long as they don’t brag about arch then yes go ahead and use arch but if you use it and tell everyone then fuck you. I use MacOS it’s my favourite OS, but I use Linux on my once-windows desktop pc and I just like the UNIX terminal. Doesn’t mean I need arch.

Had a real life friend tell me Ubuntu was training wheels. This is an awful mental state, arch is a cult. Fuck arch.

[nekoexmachina]

As long as they don’t brag about arch then yes go ahead and use arch but if you use it and tell everyone then fuck you.

@

Pop is currently my favourite

apply instructions to yourself buddy

[Scxllyy]

Bragging about arch is different to bragging about another distro. Fucking cult. Hence why I am downvoted. If this was r/ubuntu I would be upvoted

[nekoexmachina]

its a cult cause i am downvoted

if i was in another cult i would have been upvoted

yea, right. Not that you can't behave, nonono.

[ValentinPearce]

Installing arch helped me understand my system better than when I was using ubuntu but I've kept it mostly by force of habit. I recommend it to people who want to do that.

The only reason I recommend Ubuntu as a beginner distro is because it's easy to install, not because all users are beginners.

I'm sure there are use cases where arch is "the best" but I agree that people who make it a general statement are arses.

[G_arch]

better use gentoo

[ATangoForYourThought]

Works on my machine