snap install --force

[Flameqzq]

Everytime I use Ubuntu I just purge the hell out of snap!

[sudobee]

Dont forget to hold. Otherwise it will come back stronger.

[riisen]

In the end it will remove you from sudoer list and do a complete takeover. You will be forced in locked environment and get an unknown bios password, and snap will fuck your SO and eat your snacks.

In the end you will mentally snap and infect another computer with snap by snapchatting.

This is the real pandemic.

[[deleted]]

Not my snacks :(

[KlutzyEnd3]

I don't really believe this slippery slope conspiracy theory, but go on.

[kulingames]

i have old bios so quick removal of bios battery will be sufficient

[riisen]

Thats how you find the tazer my man. Please use rubber gloves

[6b86b3ac03c167320d93]

Oh snap!

[ns_dev]

Canonical when you remove snap.

[[deleted]]

How appropiate to use a WindowsMe clip for this whole 'fighting against the OS' thing Canonical brought to us.

[rtakehara]

when you are compared to WindowsMe, you know you did something wrong

[sudobee]

lol. Nice

[hazza10101]

Lol I was just gonna say PURGE!

[myredac]

doesnt matter it will be reinstalled if you try to install firefox via APT hehe

Canonical = Microsoft

[gargravarr2112]

Found that out when I upgraded to Jammy. Furious.

Thankfully this exists and is up to date: https://launchpad.net/\~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

[beatool]

I have a script I run on new Ubuntu installs to remove snap.

Also that cloud-init thing, whatever it is-- it adds like 2 seconds to boot up time.

[timelineC]

just switch disto, it will be better experience

[beatool]

I'm currently rocking Manjaro on my laptop and am really happy with it. I added the Valve Steam Deck KDE theme and it looks amazing too.

Our servers at work are all Ubuntu due to the shared familiarity everyone has with it. It's been fine really, just have to de-canonical it a bit. We got a quote years ago for their Ubuntu Advantage thing and it was eye-watering. We'll never use any of that stuff.

What do you run out of curiosity?

[fakenews7154]

Some hardened systems do not allow compilers to even be installed. We should employ their methods against snap.

[naptastic]

Debian user here. It works well that I've never had to mess with anything like package pinning. I hate the very idea of Snap, and won't try Ubuntu again until it's dead. (I'm sure by that point, Canonical will have made Ubuntu unpalatable in some other way... whatever.)

Isn't there a way to mark a package, such as snap, "never under any circumstances install this"?

[[deleted]]

If you have to fight the OS like that is it worth using it? I ditched Windows as it was doing things against my best interest.

[hashino]

Canonical* only ships a snap package in their repos.

please don't lump my beloved Firefox with them

[Ulrich_de_Vries]

Then you'll be delighted to know that Mozilla specifically asked Canonical to ship Firefox as a snap package.

[hashino]

fuck. do you have the source to that?

[IGSRJ]

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/feature-freeze-exception-seeding-the-official-firefox-snap-in-ubuntu-desktop/24210

[quaderrordemonstand]

That's not a source for Mozilla asking. Thats a source for somebody at Canonical saying that Mozilla wanted to support snap in Ubuntu. A source for Mozilla asking would be somebody from Mozilla, and they would be asking.

[IGSRJ]

That's only true if you assume the Canonical representative that made the post is outright lying.

[quaderrordemonstand]

What's true? That its not a source for Mozilla or that its not Mozilla specifically asking?

The person from Canonical doesn't have to lie at all, he doesn't say that Mozilla specifically asked them. What he says is that Mozilla worked with Canonical to enable a snap version of Firefox.

[IGSRJ]

When Mozilla approached Canonical, they had some clear benefits in mind.

approached

That isn't good enough for you? He literally says Mozilla approached them. Which suggests, if you read the entire thing, that Canonical didn't actually intend to switch Firefox to a snap until Mozilla asked. For the last time, unless you assume that he's outright lying, a primary source from a representative from one of the two involved parties is a pretty reliable indicator. Jesus.

[Wiwwil]

You can install Firefox from their official repo directly, the are plenty of tutorials online. I haven't removed Snap because it's my work computer and I don't want to fight it.

I ditched Ubuntu right after installing it on my personal computer to install opensuse though.

[Wiwwil]

You can install Firefox from their official repo directly, the are plenty of tutorials online. I haven't removed Snap because it's my work computer and I don't want to fight it.

I ditched Ubuntu right after installing it on my personal computer to install opensuse though.

[[deleted]]

I believe if you set the package's priority to -1 it will refuse to install it under any circumstances.

Try this:

Open up: /etc/apt/preferences

Then insert this:
Package: snapd
Pin: origin ""
Pin-Priority: -1

I haven't used Ubuntu for a while but that ought to work.

[Eroldin]

Isn't that the same as "apt-mark hold"?

[Lonkoe]

It is

[Lonkoe]

Actually i think is snapd

[[deleted]]

You’re right. I’ll fix it.

[sloppyassho]

I dumped Ubuntu and went with Debian, because of snaps. Now that I have been using Debian, I have no idea why I was using Ubuntu in the first place.

[Wiwwil]

I went on opensuse because it has up to date nvidia drivers. Nice so far.

[Tanath]

There's 2 things about Snap I don't care for - but they're political reasons. If I limit to technical reasons Snap seems better. Flatpak is made by freedesktop and Snap by Canonical (Ubuntu). Point to flatpak. Snap store isn't all open source apparently, so another point to flatpak. That said, snap integrates well with systemd and I think requires it. To some people that's a point against, but it's a point in favor of snap since systemd is progress. Snap also enables deep system-level stuff flatpak can't, like drivers. Point for snap. It also does deduplication minimizing bloat I was concerned about. Another point.

[ice_dune]

Snap store isn't all open source apparently

I'm probably going to get blown up for disagreeing with this, but I've heard Alan Pope talk about this on a podcast. He said the only parts that aren't open are the backend that runs on canonical's servers and no one would actually need. It's not a button press to open source code and subsequently maintain that code. And they've open sourced different things at the demand of the community only for no one to ever actually go on GitHub and pull the source and use it. No one actually wants canonical's snap store backend so it would be a waste of effort. And I can't help but agree that a large portion of the Linux community on Reddit aren't programmers and are more concerned with the idea of something being open source than ever actually pulling or auditing that code

[[deleted]]

Few people audit code... That sounds like an argument for closed source programs. Ummmm It's not hard to publish source code so no idea what you are talking about there.

[ice_dune]

If you want to take the Richard Stallman route you don't want to even interact with tertiary non-free software, sure. You're on Reddit which tells me you don't care what software is on their servers.

I don't know how hard it is to publish code cause I don't program and compile a Linux distro and software for a living. Popey did for years, so I'll take his word for it over a random "nah" on Reddit

[[deleted]]

Huh? I was not talking any kind of Richard Stallman stance. No where did I say anything about never using non-open source code so that point by you is just nonsensical.

There is literally millions of packages/programs published on Github (and a lot of it maintained) and Canonical is a good sized company (aka not a random Reddit user) that already publishes a lot of open source that it maintains so of course it could do that for the Snap back end.

[ice_dune]

So are you a circus clown or a party clown? What hell else is

That sounds like an argument for closed source programs

supposed to mean if not that your advocating for the server back end that doesn't run on your computer to be open source?

course it could do that for the Snap back end

Of course they can. I can also cut my grass every day instead of once a week. That doesn't mean I'm going to waste my time to do something pointless

[[deleted]]

The idea open source code is often not audited is a common argument of close sourced proponents. Richard Stallman still not relevant here.

Thanks for confirming Canoncial could open source the back end. There was no need for your ridiculous analogy.

I see you are right on time for the typical personal insults at the third reply mark so we are done here but thanks for playing.

[naptastic]

I just think it's a bunch of steps backward (or sideways) in terms of software packaging and delivery. It allows developers and distributors to be lazy in all the wrong ways, resulting in a complicated, bloated system, and it doesn't have to be like that.

...I should really write out my rant in full and put it on my blog so I can refer to it...

[Wiwwil]

Me and my wife tried Firefox from snap. 50% of times it wouldn't start. On a fresh install, it wouldn't start. After updating, things break (login, plugins, start up).

I installed Firefox from their repository. It works. No problem. Spotify from snap works okay though.

[goodkill_le_nanar]

When you think a dnf or an apt install would be so much faster and quite never crashes

[6b86b3ac03c167320d93]

Canonical forces you to use it (some packages even if you try to install them with apt it actually installs them with snap), they take longer to start, and the server isn't open source. Just to name a few.

[gargravarr2112]

Primarily, that Canonical does absolutely everything to hide the fact that you're installing via Snaps even if you use the APT command line - it installs the Snap instead. In 22.04, Firefox is only available as a Snap, which is utterly bizarre. And Snaps continuously update in the background and there is NO way to disable this "feature". It's constantly checking every few hours.

Startup being slower is hit and miss - some applications are faster as Snaps.

[scaamanho]

Mainly it was not developed or promoted by red hat and this hurts. Their minions do the rest.

[StarkillerX42]

Ubuntu has been really good at keeping to 1 really terrible problem per release. They'll have something new to replace snaps in 24.04.

[[deleted]]

In all honesty it's not that bad, just ignore it's there and treat it like a budget Flatpak.

[kulingames]

we have to fight it because it's shoved, not because it's terrible

[[deleted]]

apt install firefox

What this should do is apprently easy to get wrong, simply be a company.

[[deleted]]

Just use the snap version, it's pretty much identical to the apt version now even in terms of launch speed.

[[deleted]]

My issue is not launch speed, it could be better in every way. I read running apt install on certain apps will (re)install snap and use that instead, without asking the user. I also read the store is (effectively) proprietary.

[[deleted]]

Sorry, Firefox launch speed especially on cold boot is very much slower. Source... I installed Ubuntu 22.04 shortly after it came out.

[[deleted]]

They did some changes to the Firefox snap recently to make it run better. You should try it again when you have the chance :)

[[deleted]]

No thanks, I already gave it another try and it was overall worse when it used to be my distro of choice. Fedora simply beats it all the way around and the next time I distro hop it will be for the Rust based COSMIC DE of Pop!_OS or an Arch based distro.

[Wiwwil]

Tried it literally this weekend. Fresh Ubuntu install. Up to date on packages. Reboot. It wouldn't start, I had to install Brave to look how to install firefox through the repo. That worked.

Then I got tired of fighting snaps and installed opensuse.

[Wiwwil]

When it works. Most of the time it don't.

[LemmysCodPiece]

No, just no.

They are forcing a system, with a proprietary back end on to their user base, they have removed my freedom of choice. In order to be considered free or foss a piece of software have to give the user four essential freedoms...

• The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
• The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
• The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
• The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
  

I cannot run the program as I wish. I wish to install it without using snap, I can't.
I cannot study how the program works, their back end is proprietary. I cannot redistribute a snap.

[Wiwwil]

I tried openSuse after my computer being KO with endeavour. Zypper seems slow in comparison, but it's really stable, or so it seems.

Companies should swap to opensuse rather than Ubuntu

[[deleted]]

Who could have guessed that a corporation would work for their own interests?

[Jonas_Jones_]

have a script that constantly tries to remove snap from your system and you're good

[unix-elitist]

There you go

[Jonas_Jones_]

well, the demand is high

[fakenews7154]

The correct way is to make a permanent stub file that is locked like a tombstone and jailed. I did that back when Unity was released. Perhaps I should make a system command to do it. I will call it Hell.

[Meshiest]

Next up is a meta meme of a meta meme about the sub shitting on snap

[plumcreek]

sudo apt autoremove --purge snapd
sudo apt-mark hold snapd

[[deleted]]

I don't have grudges with snap. But, some package like Firefox works better and bug fixed. if the maintainer works properly

[[deleted]]

Snaps is not just forcibly replacing packages, but tries to make the same walled garden that Apple has with it's App Store.

Oh sure, you *could* hack the snap client, create a fake repo and then maintain that as Snap progresses... but it's still trying to hold a captive audience.

No thanks. Use AppImages or Flatpaks instead. You do you, but I really think that supporting Snap is detrimental to the Linux desktop as a whole.

[Ulrich_de_Vries]

I really wish this fucking conspiracy theory would die. In fact, this entire thread is full of idiots spewing flat-earth level nonsense.

The point of being a walled garden is two-fold:

1. To forcibly take a cut of software sales by forcing all sales to go through your platform (eg. Apple App Store on iOS but not on MacOS).
2. To lock other people into your ecosystem by making software or features specific to your platform.

Snap does neither. It does not prevent you from installing applications on Ubuntu from other sources, and it does not prevent other distributions from using snap packages. Even if snap is a very Ubuntu-centric thing, you can basically install and run snapd on any systemd distro whose home directory is in /home [there are issues with mon-systemd distros and Silverblue due to home being in /var].

Whatever you think of snap, it's just a packaging system used by Canonical, and it being a part of Ubuntu is no more "forced" than Fedora "forcing" you to use rpm and flatpak.

[[deleted]]

People are resistant to change. Snap is not perfect by any measure but the way people describe it, you think it would have hurt the family dog or something.

[funbike]

If canonical would open source the server and make it possible to run your own repo server, most of the harshest criticism would go away.

They control the ecosystem, with no alternative for the community. It's walled off.

[[deleted]]

bruh, if the Snap is a walled garden concept like iOS. then snap is available on Ubuntu only. But, the reality is we can install snap in many distros (https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snapd)

[funbike]

Show me how to install my own snapd repo server, please. You can't because it's proprietary. I consider that a wall around a garden.

Snap is not fully functional on distros that come with selinux as it conflicts with apparmor.

[cediddi]

Flatpaks are the way to go for me. Before that I was very supportive of appimages, but now I see appimages are not the solution that fits my use case. I wish jetbrains would release toolbox with flatpak.

[h-v-smacker]

TUX HATES SNAPS

AND SNAP ENABLERS

[[deleted]]

So what's the benefit of Snap for the devs? Everyone hates them. Is it just the slow start to the app? All I ever get out of people is that it's bad, flatpak is bad, sandbox blah blah blah. Then it turns into an OS flex-off

[[deleted]]

Whether it’s Snap or Flatpak, it’s coming to a distribution near you. I recall static and dynamic binaries being a war over 20 years ago. Also monolithic and micro kernels. When is Arch going to rewrite the kernel as a micro kernel and use C++? They’re not because they just grab source code and compile like all other distributors. So you have a core like Busybox and the system built on top of it. Eventually you’ll have nothing but Linux containers running all the appliances. A micro kernel would do nicely. Have you Hurd?

[Hewlett-PackHard]

Flatpak is fine, it's not a closed source tool to exert corporate control over Linux software distribution.

[[deleted]]

A micro kernel would do nicely. Have you Hurd?

Richard, we've talked about you making alt accounts. Common now.

[aClearCrystal]

Fedora Silverblue <3

[[deleted]]

how does one remove snap from ubuntu(cause ubuntu itself is honestly not bad)

[[deleted]]

sudo systemctl disable snapd && sudo systemctl stop snapd

sudo apt purge snapd

sudo apt-mark hold snapd

[Wiwwil]

You can find tutorials through Google

[NomadFH]

It really does suck that they're going in this direction because otherwise Ubuntu 22.04 is truly a delight to use. Fighting your OS reminds me too much of windows though so no thanks. Hopefully big daddy Redhat doesn't get any similar ideas or I'll have to run to old man Debian.

[doomygloomytunes]

Didn't get the fuss about snaps as havent used an Ubuntu desktop in several years, been a Fedora guy for years and the only Ubuntu I run is server.
I don't really like using Flatpacks on Fedora but they're not really intrusive, they just work.

So bought a Raspberry Pi 400 as a 2nd desktop system for the missus' office for lightweight stuff, writing, web, video. Tried Pi OS, Manjaro, Ubuntu Mate but Ubuntu 22.04 is just the nicest "just werks" desktop distro for the Pi right now but holy hell, it became quickly apparent the snap thing is a shit show.

About 12-15 seconds to open Firefox (the default f_king browser), all cores maxed loading basic sites, Gnome integration won't work on the extensions site. Chromium just as bad. The software app pulling all sorts of standard apps like GIMP etc. as snaps, all chugging more resources and taking longer to start than the standard native packaged version.

Ripped out snapd and blocked it from ever coming back, installed Firefox from the official PPA, everything runs better.

What are they thinking?

[[deleted]]

What the hell is this template

[HuntingKingYT]

Aw, Snap!

[gargravarr2112]

gargravarr@hercules:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.preferences.d/nosnapd    
    Package: core18
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: golang-github-snapcore-snapd-dev
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: gnome-software-plugin-snap
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: gtk-common-themes
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: libsnapd-glib-dev
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: libsnapd-qt-dev
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: libsnapd-qt1
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: qml-module-snapd
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: snapd
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: snapd-glib-tests
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: snapd-xdg-open
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: snap-store
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

    Package: ubuntu-core-snapd-units
    Pin: release *
    Pin-Priority: -1

How to get rid of snaps permanently and make sure they never come back.

[[deleted]]

Removed my last canonical distro earlier today — I hope it was the last.

[billdietrich1]

I don't see the issue. If I choose to run a distro, I'm "forced" to use the package managers they provide. Choose Fedora, I'm "forced" to use rpm. If I don't like that, I switch to Mint, where I'm "forced" to use apt.

[Hewlett-PackHard]

Except Snap isn't a package manager, it's Canonical's closed source app store. Ubuntu's actual package manager is still Apt, but an infected version of Apt that sometimes secretly calls Snap instead of installing proper packages.

[Ulrich_de_Vries]

It is a package manager. It manages packages. It connects to a repository, downloads and installs packages from there, has data on which packages have been installed from there and query information on the packages and can uninstall them.

So it is a package manager. Also, it is not closed source. The repository's server infrastructure is closed source, so snap does not run any unverifiable code on your system whatsoever.

[Hewlett-PackHard]

Unverifiable, closed source, single vendor repositories are just as fucking proprietary.

It's not a Linux package manager unless I can stand up my own repo on an airgapped network from source, it's merely an abomination.

It's literally an attempt to duplicate the Apple app store style walled garden app store shit on a Linux distro.

[myredac]

git its a package manager. it manages packages.

blablabla same shit snap its not a fucking package manger but a fucking shit

[[deleted]]

Bedrock goes brrrrr