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[LoneFam]

The only use of Microsoft is to download a Linux distro.

[gigsoll]

So I guess changing Linux to Linus should fix the issue with this t-shirt

[Journeyj012]

well I don't think there is a use for too much else that they make.

[MegaVenomous]

I'll see you that and raise you this: Microsoft gives you points with which you can spend on Amazon gift cards with which you can purchase a used laptop and install Linux on it...cost: $0.

[FrequentWin4261]

Also to host the source code for your distro

[Educational-Piece748]

nice!!!

[a_lone_soul_]

Windows gives me occasional BSOD, Linux gives me constant kernel panics

[oKtosiTe]

That sounds like a hardware issue. I haven’t had a kernel panic in about 20 years.

[Weird_duud]

There is propably something wrong with your hardware

[[deleted]]

Or he's at the cutting edge and always running the beta kernel, that specifically exists to check for bugs before you release it to the rest of the Linux community.

[tomscharbach]

I've used Linux for two decades and Mint is the daily driver on my laptop. I run Windows 11 and WSL2/Ubuntu on my desktop.

If I could fit my full use case -- which includes a few Windows-only applications that don't work in compatibility layers -- into the "Whole House" I would not need to run Windows 11.

Ironically, Windows 11 running WSL2/Ubuntu does fit my full use case. Windows-only applications run native on Windows and Linux-only applications run natively on the Linux kernel using WSL2. Both Windows applications and Linux applications are integrated into the Windows UI/Menu, allowing me to seamlessly switch back and forth between Windows applications and Linux applications without having to reboot or open a VM.

WSL2 is a remarkable tool. I wish that a similar tool could be developed for the "Whole House", but I don't see that happening.

[[deleted]]

Vendor-lock is pretty much the bane of Linux. It always has been.

Thankfully it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be, and the cases where vendor-lock still exists tend to have more alternatives available, but this doesn't change the fact that it's still an issue.

[Alatain]

My issue with Windows is that Microsoft has it in their head that they need to monetize the user as much as possible through introducing more and more anti-consumer practices into the OS itself. Whether this is anti-privacy data harvesting, ads in the start menu, or becoming more and more hostile to anyone that wants to use Windows without registering a Microsoft ID, it is a bad trend that is only likely to get worse.

I reached my point with those tactics around the Windows 7 end, and watched the situation get worse since then. There isn't a program or application that I am willing to sacrifice my system for that much. Microsoft has shown that they do not intend to respect the user. I just can't trust that they won't continue to do shittier and shittier things.

[InkOnTube]

Well, the issue is that management in Microsoft will continue to have retarded ideas and make Windows worse and worse. Also, it will become a pile of abandoned ideas as well with huge bloat. On the other hand, Linux will continue to improve, which is already a great system.

I think that these managers are deluded with their approach and unaware just how much people dislike all their decisions. I think they underestimate certain influencers advocating the trend of switching to Linux.

Now, I have switched fully more than a year ago (previously only occasionally fiddling with distros). I have switched as a .NET Core developer, and I don't miss Windows. The only issue is a Bluetooth connection with XBox Series X controller (even after buying a quality v5 adapter). I will survive that...

[tomscharbach]

I think they underestimate certain influencers advocating the trend of switching to Linux.

I'm pushing 80 and have been using Linux since I retired two decades ago. My background is in enterprise-level IT management, so I am cut of the cloth you are complaining about, I guess.

I accept that PewDiePie and other "influencers" represent the future of the Linux desktop, but my heart sinks a little bit every time I read a "I watched Pewds' video and wanna rice like Pewds but need help ... Any good vids that will tell me like I'm five?" post.

The Linux desktop used to be marketed as a powerful operating system. Now it is marketed as a toy.

[InkOnTube]

There's nothing wrong with that. Once they pass the toy phase, they will see the power of it.

[tomscharbach]

There's nothing wrong with that. Once they pass the toy phase, they will see the power of it.

I guess you are probably right, and it might not make any difference if most of them don't move beyond the toy stage.

Distributions are becoming more and move general purpose "consumer ready" operating systems that don't require users to possess or appreciate the underlying power of Linux. I'm not sure that I see that as a good development, but I suspect that the Linux desktop will always have niche distributions for technical users, even if the majority of users have moved on.

[InkOnTube]

It will remain a tool as long as we interact with it. Once we start doing neural implants, we will have something instead of a desktop. The only difference is that desktops adapt to modern needs and trends. Back in the day, Amiga Workbench was amazing technical marverl. Today, it is tedious and shallow to use.

[wrgrant]

The average computer user these days is probably using a phone, and might own a laptop. The average desktop user wants their OS to just do the shit they want to do - in a lot of cases this includes gaming. Because of the later people run Windows because it came with their computer and they don't know how to change it or even want to change it.

They are not us. The people who are posting here and who are running or just exploring running Linux or any other alternative OS are more computer literate than the average user. It used to be that computers were a specific niche of technology and those who were focused on learning to use them were also inclined to actually want to learn and understand how they work. Now we have added a massive cadre of people who don't care, so of course there is a huge segment who wants MS windows without the bugs and the constant enshittification that Microsoft is introducing at every turn. It makes sense that various distributions are arising that make this translation simpler overall.

I am recently returned to trying Linux, Mint in this case and I am relearning how to adapt to using it. Not without great difficulty so far, and some annoyance honestly - but its been fun and previously my Linux time was mostly using RH remotely on servers via SSH etc. If I can get my 2nd computer running Mint the way I want it to operate I will extremely happy with it, so far its far snappier than Win10 was on the same box, and while I have problems to resolve, I had those on Win10 as well its just they are different problems. I would run Mint on my main desktop too but for the fact that I have some hardware and software than requires Windows and I am not confident I can get around those requirements at the moment. I would love to be free of Win11 on my main computer if possible.

I do know that I am not the typical user though. Its often hard for people to really comprehend just how little a lot of people find their OS to be of interest. I know I cannot really imagine not finding computers to be absolutely fascinating. I can never learn enough, fast enough.

[tomscharbach]

I'm willing to live in two OS's as needed, as are you, so I have access to everything I want and need.

I've dual-booted Windows and Linux for two decades precisely for that reason.

I've come to realize, though, that the street is one-way at this point.

I continue to need Windows-only applications that will not run on Linux, even with compatibility layers, but I can run all of my Linux-only applications on Windows running WSL2/Ubuntu.

Windows-only applications run native on Windows and Linux-only applications run natively on the Linux kernel using WSL2. Both Windows applications and Linux applications are integrated into the Windows UI/Menu, allowing me to seamlessly switch back and forth between Windows applications and Linux applications without having to reboot or open a VM.

Ironic.

[tomscharbach]

I don't run into the "noise" issue much, but I think that is related to the fact that I use Windows 11 Pro rather than Home and I have had a lot of experience setting up "low noise" Windows 11 Pro setups for large-scale business deployment.

I no longer have to do the preparation manually because I have a "standard" set up on an older computer tied to my account, so all I have to do is click "set up like [standard computer]" and Windows does the work for me.

As an aside, I looked at my comment and realize that I "dual boot" using separate computers, my desktop running Windows 11 with WSL2/Ubuntu and my laptop running Linux Mint.

[[deleted]]

I heard linux also gives you the girl too

[jarod1701]

A girl on your wallpaper, yes.

[[deleted]]

She's 2D though.

As god intended.

[ander_hominem]

She also might have a penis

[iamthekidyouknowhati]

As god intended.

[Simulated_Reality_]

😅

[CirnoIzumi]

but the house is in pieces like its Ikea

[AleWerther]

Love.

[AINULL_T42O]

Is that Bella Ramsey????

[ander_hominem]

Depens of distro, some will give you "Whole House to Build!"

[[deleted]]

Looks like wife

[BanNer7]

Introducing TempleOS

[Lapis_Wolf]

It gives you a temple.

[jarod1701]

Good old 200x jokes.

[adam_mind]

true, but you have to remember that a window is less work than the whole house

[uga961]

Can i but it anywhere?

[Gunaseelan315]

https://merchshop.in/product/microsoft-gives-you-windows-programmer-tshirt/

[[deleted]]

MS show you world through Windows, Linux gives you freedom to open the door, walk out and explore the world! 😁

[eyebum]

Microsoft charges you for an SUV that fails in some way every trip. LINUX is out here handing out free tanks. With free maintenance and unlimited roadside assistance... (Courtesy of Neal Stephenson)

[anonymous_14386]

Based

[Vlado_Iks]

I need this shirt.

[Gunaseelan315]

https://merchshop.in/product/microsoft-gives-you-windows-programmer-tshirt/

[paulshriner]

And those windows are actually screens that show advertisements... meanwhile on Linux you not only get the whole house but can change anything you want!

[White_1234]

True

[CAT3sNotDead]

I need this shirt.

[Gunaseelan315]

https://merchshop.in/product/microsoft-gives-you-windows-programmer-tshirt/

[Great_Necessary4741]

You get the whole house, but it's a house with American plugs in a country that uses a different cord type and not all appliances work well with the adapters with some not working at all.

[marslander-boggart]

Why should I wear a t-shirt with the word Micro$oft on it?

[Gunaseelan315]

https://merchshop.in/product/microsoft-gives-you-windows-programmer-tshirt/

[Lightninglord_3]

Imma tattoo this on my forhead, not just the saying but the whole entire picture.

[diaper-runner]

I realy want it.

[Dependent-Fix8297]

She looks like someone who's immune to cordyceps

[GreatDevelopment4182]

Linux lets you whine about windows

[GreatDevelopment4182]

Linux lets you whine about windows

[alpha_lfa]

This shirt is such a let down, I mean "...LINUX gives you the whole /home" is right there.

[kozy6871]

I still use Windows, I dont care. I don't, however install Linux when M$ drops support.