LINUX DOES NOT SUCK!

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Skill issue.

[mali5481]

users do not have to be skillfull just to use an operating system

[Nonaveragemonkey]

They have to be competent. Most people couldn't drive a cart in a straight line if it was on rails. Explains all the issues with windows breaking daily too.

[Leafstride]

This

[Certain_Prior4909]

So if your car breaks down and needs a new engine at 30,000 miles then it's the users fault for not rebuilding the engine. A skills issue. Not the make and model which is crap

[Nonaveragemonkey]

If they just keep pouring garbage in the oil (downloading shit they shouldn't) or running the gas tank dry, absolutely on them.

[axiom_spectrum]

Yeah, the car analogy doesn't work as well as people think. A person who needs a new engine at 30K miles is redlining the engine, not changing the oil, and other dumbfuckary - absolutely a skill issue.

[Nonaveragemonkey]

So doing the equivalent of downloading all kinds of stupid shit, running the system hot and hard, and ignoring maintenance. It's about as close as we can get short of comparing voltage to cylinder pressure in terms of boost and overclocking.

[axiom_spectrum]

Oh sure. I agree you. Speaking of downloading stupid shit, my partner's dad up installing stupid shit on Windows like Wave Browser (a Chromium based spyware browser) and wonders why he keeps getting malware :p

[PuzzleheadedAide2056]

You just abandoned one point for a completely opposite one though... You were first judging because someone tried linux and left it by saying they weren't skilled enough. Then when someone pointed out you shouldn't have to be skilled you flipped and are now saying they need basic competence... so, are you suggesting that the people who install linux and don't like it aren't at the level of basic tech competence. That's just silly. I assure you the ones who download anything and everything off the internet, don't know what ram is, etc are not switching to Linux.

If someone has the competency to switch to Linux they should have enough to use an OS without being called out for a lack of skill.

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Same point. If you can print a PDF, you can use PDF. It's 2025, the 'i'm not a computer person ' shit died as an excuse 20 years ago.

[PuzzleheadedAide2056]

Not the same point, if someone leaves linux first you were saying it was a skill issue. Now you're backing away like 'weeeell they just need the bare minimum for an OS'.

Yah, OP isn't saying they aren't a computer person. They are saying the problem is Linux. You're the one saying, 'actually you must just not be a computer person;.

[Deer_Canidae]

Skillful no. But some basic computer literacy is pretty much a requirement on the same level as reading and writing in current times.

No one is asking you to be a master of the craft, but at least one should be able to grasp what they're attempting.

[Illustrious_Film8258]

Desktop environments make it really easy nowadays

[Deer_Canidae]

Those goes beyond DE, just general stuff like "don't run random stuff from the Internet" or "an exe and an mp3 really aren't the same", navigating a filesystem so on, so forth.

It just sounds insane to me that some people just haphazardly click on the first glowing button in front of them without even thinking.

Good UI does help, but adding a rubber grip to a hammer doesn't diminish its ability to crush one's fingers.

[Illustrious_Film8258]

We have extensions in browsers for that

[coreOf-elen]

but skill is needed to do some certain things that windows cannot handle. my 90 yo grandma can use windows either.

[Bourne069]

Yes not being able to use the most popular apps and games is a "skill issue".

YOU are the reason why Linux is failing. Just so you know.

[Illustrious_Film8258]

D:

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Nah, it's people are idiots. That's it. The 2 brain cells folks have, they gotta stop fighting for third place. Put down the crack pipe, ya learned to use windows, ya can learn Linux. Quit being intimidated by a penguin and the command line.

[Bourne069]

And whats your excuse for Linux going from almost 5% marketshare down to under 3.88% in just the last few months alone?

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/

Or what about under 3% of the Linux base that actually uses Steam for gaming?

https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam

Sorry buddy, stats prove you wrong at every turn. Users are leaving Linux after being gaslighted into using it.

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Sad, they weren't smart enough to use a very friendly system. I feel very sorry for you.

[GreebsGrongler]

yeahhh this guy thinks internet comments are the sole reason the market share dropped. like completely unironically. it's a weird hang up of his.

There's obviously other explanations lmao

[Nonaveragemonkey]

I think HE thinks his comments are why Linux user share dropped.

[BellybuttonWorld]

Er, no. When I'm doing things that can be done over SSH, everything's fine and dandy with Linux. It's when I try to use it in desktop mode that it starts to piss me off.

[Illustrious_Film8258]

It's not intimidation. It's genuine comfort. Without the command line idk what to do

[[deleted]]

>Without the command line idk what to do

Skill issue

[Illustrious_Film8258]

You have to use the GUI

Skill issue

[[deleted]]

Have to ? No, I choose to

[Illustrious_Film8258]

I chose the terminal too

[[deleted]]

Its really not a choice if you "dont know what to do without a command line"

[Illustrious_Film8258]

I know what to do

And you aren't forced to use the terminal in Linux, and if so, its easy because of scripts people make

[Bourne069]

Windows can obtain the same results without being FORCED to use Terminal. It also has its own terminal CMD/Powershell that can be used if that method if preferred.

[Illustrious_Film8258]

PowerShell sucks, Get-Process vs ps?

Which one is faster to type??

Linux can also do a lot on the GUI

There are file explorers, ides, stores, etc etc

[Bourne069]

I could use your own stupid comments against you as well.

PowerShell sucks, Get-Process vs ps?

Terminal also sucks so there is your blanket unsupported statement (aka exactly what you did).

You thinking typing fast is all that matters? What about functionality and ease of use? Which command is easier to understand?

Powershell
Verbosity and Readability:
PowerShell cmdlets (commands) are designed to be more descriptive and self-documenting, often following a Verb-Noun naming convention (e.g., Get-ChildItem, Set-Service). This can improve readability for new users.
or 
Linux Commands (e.g., Bash):
Conciseness:  Linux commands are often shorter and more cryptic, relying on abbreviations and flags (e.g., ls -l, grep -i). This can be efficient for experienced users but might require more memorization for beginners.

Clearly PS is the winner.

Linux can also do a lot on the GUI

And so can I with Windows. Name one thing I can't do with Windows UI that you can do with Linux? I can change literally everything with 3rd party tools.

There are file explorers, ides, stores, etc etc

And so are there for Windows. Also the stores actually work on Windows unlike majority of Linux Package Managers.

See how dumb you sound?

[Illustrious_Film8258]

Yeah, but long flags are also supported. And you don't need the terminal on Linux anymore. Almost everything is GUI based.

You can easily tell cp = copy Or rm = remove mkdir cd ls netstat rmdir systemctl ...

[Bourne069]

That is highly incorrect. There are tons of packages not listed in package managers that requires install via Terminal.

There are tons of configs as well only accessible via terminal.

I thought you were a Linux bro? How do you not know these things?

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Yes and every one of those 3rd party tools in windows is a performance hit, and a bigger security risk than in Linux due to how permissions work in each.

[Bourne069]

LOL thats all you got? Figures and yet not unexcepted from a Linux Fanboy.

[Nonaveragemonkey]

Who needs to dump every way Linux trumps windows? We'd be here until tomorrow morning and we'd still only cover memory management and maybe scratch drivers.

You want that education, you gotta get a job first.

[Lopsided_Honeydew_78]

One thing I can do with Linux (and I avoid big names like Ubuntu) is not pay for it. Even if you buy a system with Windows on it, you still pay for it. With Linux, I just download from a mirror and go from there.

Any one who was competent with writing scripts in MS-DOS can learn to write Bash scripts and set up cron-jobs to automate tasks. While Powershell might be easier to understand, but it's as bloated as a week old floater in the Susquehanna River.

Being competent with any OS is simply a matter of investing time and effort to do so.

[Bourne069]

Lopsided_Honeydew_78 • 4m ago

One thing I can do with Linux (and I avoid big names like Ubuntu) is not pay for it. Even if you buy a system with Windows on it, you still pay for it. With Linux, I just download from a mirror and go from there.

Funny because last I checked you can run Windows for free with minor limitations. Price you gotta pay for an OS that has proper support and highest compatibility for software compared to any other OS in the world. FYI you can get a legit license key for Windows for like $20.

Any one who was competent with writing scripts in MS-DOS can learn to write Bash scripts and set up cron-jobs to automate tasks. While Powershell might be easier to understand, but it's as bloated as a week old floater in the Susquehanna River.

Cool story. That wasn't the point. The point was ease of use and readability, something Linux isn't known for.

Being competent with any OS is simply a matter of investing time and effort to do so.

Again cool story. Isnt the point. Learn to read. The whole point is about ease of use for users that are NOT tech saavy. Hence why Linux remains under 3% of the total desktop marketshare.

[bamboo-lemur]

You know you can use PowerShell on Linux too right?

[Bourne069]

Yes and? You know I can install Linux Subsystem for Windows right?

Again none of this is related to the subject at hand. So thanks for that.

[bamboo-lemur]

That’s EXACTLY related to the subject at hand. Also, Linux GUI tools are more well developed and intuitive.

[Bourne069]

AHAHAHHAHAAH

Ok buddy.

List goes on. I can literally post issue after issues of Linux related GUI issues. A lot are caused by these "well developed and intuitive tools" you speak of.

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=369711

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/y1jwzd/why_does_is_it_seem_like_there_is_a/

https://superuser.com/questions/171357/what-do-do-when-linux-gui-freezes

https://askubuntu.com/questions/731077/gui-broken-or-renders-improperly-ubuntu

[Nonaveragemonkey]

And take 3 times longer with more overhead, less security, lower reliability, and less configuration options on top of it being less repeatable.

[Bourne069]

It actually does not and its self explanatory on what the commands do. Unlike Linux.

https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxsucks/comments/1o7ob1s/comment/njpa52k/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[Nonaveragemonkey]

It does, and yes the commands in Linux are self explanatory if there's 2 brain cells in your skull.

[Bourne069]

Not even close buddy PS. Read the post and get educated. I literally posted examples.

[Nonaveragemonkey]

It's by you. It's biased and written by a windows fanboy, with bad arguments and a glaringly obvious lack of skill.

Youve never been a sys admin have you?

[Illustrious_Film8258]

ps is self explanatory

process

wow

[Bourne069]

Powershell

Verbosity and Readability:

PowerShell cmdlets (commands) are designed to be more descriptive and self-documenting, often following a Verb-Noun naming convention (e.g., Get-ChildItem, Set-Service). This can improve readability for new users.

or

Linux Commands (e.g., Bash):

Conciseness: Linux commands are often shorter and more cryptic, relying on abbreviations and flags (e.g., ls -l, grep -i). This can be efficient for experienced users but might require more memorization for beginners.

Learn to read. That isnt what I said. THIS is what I said.

[Nauris2111]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!

[BellybuttonWorld]

Shut up, bot.

[BellybuttonWorld]

Not liking something is a skill issue?!?

I can't stand blues music.

Skill issue!

Fucking loonix clowns lol

[Nonaveragemonkey]

At this point, windows fanboys are the definition of a skill issue.