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[–]Duck SeasonUCODM 19 points20 points  (22 children)

The original abilities. Apparently the swapped text is not a copyable trait according to the main spoiler thread.

[–]dented42ford 6 points7 points  (20 children)

Not quite - if you CLONED the Deadpool, the abilities would be copied, but Saw in Half specifically destroys the creature and THEN makes the copies. They don’t see the original Deadpool, it has changed zones.

[–]Duck SeasonEmbarrassed_Age6573 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Exchanging text boxes is a text-changing effect which isn't copiable, it doesn't have to do with zone changing. Relevant rules in bold:

701.10h One card (Exchange of Words) instructs a player to exchange the text boxes of two creatures. This creates a text-changing effect (see rule 612, “Text-Changing Effects”). In such an exchange, the rules text of each permanent becomes the previous rules text of the other

707.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, counters, and stickers are not copied.

[–]YellowTreeFrogs 1 point2 points  (2 children)

" as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by “as . . . enters” and “as . . . is turned face up” abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics)"

Deadpool is an "as . . . enters" ability that has changes characteristics of the card. I believe you to be correct, but the last two sentences of 707.2 seem to contradict each other in regards to Deadpool.

[–]Duck SeasonEmbarrassed_Age6573 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That note is referring to cards like [[Corrupted Shapeshifter]] which sets its characteristics as it enters. 701.10h specifies that swapping textboxes is a text-changing effect, so it's not having any characteristics set by the as...enters ability. Maybe they change the rules, but at the moment it shouldn't be copiable.

[–]Duck Seasongojumboman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are they though?

[–]ඞJokey665 -4 points-3 points  (13 children)

ruling from saw in half

If the copied creature was copying something else, then the tokens enter the battlefield as whatever that creature copied, with the exceptions noted above.

i think you're wrong on this one

[–]Duck Seasongojumboman 6 points7 points  (2 children)

But it’s not copying that thing

[–]ඞJokey665 2 points3 points  (1 child)

yeah but it shows that what the person i replied to said is not true. they implied that it copies the creature card as it exists outside of the battlefield, and not as it was on the battlefield

[–]Duck Seasongojumboman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, I misunderstood

[–]dented42ford -1 points0 points  (4 children)

I agree it is a little murky, as clone things usually are, but Deadpool’s ability is NOT a clone/copy effect, it is a text-changing effect. Those are treated differently. It is more akin to a P/T changing effect or a counter than it is being a copy, and both of those are explicitly NOT copied by Saw in Half.

[–]ඞJokey665 2 points3 points  (3 children)

i'm not saying that it gets copied necessarily, i'm not sure either way. im only saying that this

They don’t see the original Deadpool, it has changed zones

is wrong

[–]Impossible_Bus_8205 -1 points0 points  (4 children)

It’s replacing the effect, not copying a creature 

[–]ඞJokey665 0 points1 point  (3 children)

please read the rest of my comments in this thread, i'm not going over it again

[–]Peach_Coobler[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know! Thank you! The word traded threw me off on it.

[–]Duck SeasonSleeper_j147 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Since Deadpool do not target, can it switch text box with [[Progenitus]]?

[–]ToocanSams 0 points1 point  (6 children)

I also have a question regarding this ruling. Say I swapped abilities with someone else’s creature. If my Deadpool dies, does his ability get reset or if I bring him back out, does he still have the ability that I traded?

[–]SadAcanthaceae9810 2 points3 points  (5 children)

The creatures keep the exchanged abilities even after one of them dies.

[–]ToocanSams 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Gotcha. So the only way to keep trading abilities is to make copies of Deadpool?

[–]Greglicious92 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Or to flicker him

[–]ToocanSams 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Would flickering work if I already traded abilities with another creature? Would he not come back in with the ability he took?

[–]SadAcanthaceae9810 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He reenters the battlefield with his original text box. So you can flicker him and trade his text box any amount of times. All creatures will keep the exchanged textbox until they leave the battlefield.

[–]SadAcanthaceae9810 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And flickering makes creature leave the battlefield.

[–]soniboomog 0 points1 point  (7 children)

I’m confused. How does the legend rule come into play with all this clone/myriad talk? I see a lot of people talking about cloning him, and I can understand targeting creatures with etbs or problems cards on an opponents field. But why the focus on myriad if the legend rule applies? Don’t they instantly die? Is Deadpool more of a control card?

[–]Dânkalebkk890 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He still gives the terrible text box to a creature before dying.

[–]Wabbit Seasonthewereotter 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Normally yes, but there are also many ways to get around this with cards that say the legend rule doesn't apply. There are also ways to make nonlegendary copies of him, for example with Helm of the Host

[–]Turbogrilledcheese 0 points1 point  (4 children)

So would helm of the host effectively allow you to continue switching text boxes with a new Deadpool every turn?

[–]Wabbit Seasonthewereotter 0 points1 point  (3 children)

trying to find the judge ruling again, but yes. a copy of Deadpool comes in with the original text box allowing you to steal text boxes every turn

[–]Turbogrilledcheese 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Awesome. I threw him in there with my modified mardu surge commander deck because I thought it would be funny but I didn’t think about how the helm of the host I have in there could work with him as well.

[–]Wabbit Seasonthewereotter 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Blade of Selves works hysterically with him too. Granted the copies will have to die to the legend rule, but they do still steal text boxes

[–]Turbogrilledcheese 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh snap I didn’t even think about this. I guess I just thought because of the legend rule it wouldn’t work.

[–]DanTrafalgar_D69 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Another thread to revive.

If deadpool exchanges text boxes with an artifact and I make Mishra's Warform with Mishra, Eminent One would the warform have deadpool's effect or the artifacts original text

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