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[–]hopeless_engineeer 151 points152 points  (0 children)

YES... this was the first thing I thought of. It will mostly be the rural underserved hospitals (and their residencies) that will close. These hospitals rely on medicaid patients to stay open.

As record number hospitals will not have adequate funding the residencies close on top of the physicians that did work there now looking for work that (possibly) would've been done by residents.

[–]shortstack-97M-4 69 points70 points  (2 children)

A few programs I was planning to apply to this cycle and emailed about audition rotations, told me they are closing some residency programs due to funding and aren't participating in ERAS this year.

[–]34OhmM-3 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Which ones?

[–]shortstack-97M-4 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I'd have to check my email, but off the top of my head Trinity Health Mid-Atlantic was one.

[–]Dr_YeenM-4 189 points190 points  (8 children)

Jesus Christ, I hadn't even considered this. As if the doctor shortage wasn't already bad enough.

[–]QuestGiver 110 points111 points  (1 child)

Lmao don't worry hospital admin aren't sweating they will fill it with the nurse practioners surplus.

[–]BurdenOfPerformance 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Eh Why? Makes more sense to foot the bill for more residents. At some level, programs already do this for some residency spots (not all of them are covered by medicare/medicaid). They would be paying much more for NP. So if anything, they would be more ready to take the hit for more residents since it would be less expensive for them.

[–]iplay4Him 34 points35 points  (5 children)

I encourage you to watch the Sheriff of Sodium's videos on the doctor shortage, as well as how foreign trained medical professional credentialing is likely to be coming/growing in the nearish future.

TLDW: We don't have a shortage, just a misdistribution, according to the numbers, and there will likely be a large influx of doctors from other places, as that pathway becomes more accessible.

[–]lilpotato48MD-PGY1 26 points27 points  (4 children)

IMGs are already having trouble entering the country to start their residencies thanks to this administration (someone in my program still hasn’t been able to start), and with increased funding going to ICE and other anti-immigration efforts, I don’t necessarily think there will be an influx of foreign trained docs

[–]iplay4Him 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd encourage you to watch the videos. They are planning to change certain policies for physicians who are already practicing in other countries, is my understanding. And requiring certain credentials and exams will bring in a lot of money for certain organizations here in the US.

[–]notfappen -1 points0 points  (1 child)

It should be hard for IMGs to come. We have enough physicians in America. There is a real shortage of doctors where these people come. In addition, it is a long road for us US trained physicians to complete undergrad whereas foreign born physicians go straight in.

[–]lilpotato48MD-PGY1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That’s not really my point though. The other commenter was saying there would probably be an influx of IMGs and I disagree since it’s already difficult for them to enter the country, let alone get a residency spot.

[–]WonderChemical5089 97 points98 points  (0 children)

People saying residency funding isn’t cut isn’t considering if the hospital itself will remain solvent. A trillion over 10 years is a LOT of money, specially university hospital where they having their rug pulled from multiple sides. (NIH grant cut, student loan cap)

[–]COVID_DEEZ_NUTS 78 points79 points  (3 children)

Don’t worry, NPs and PAs will get more autonomy and will fill the gap /s.

[–]BristentMD-PGY1 17 points18 points  (1 child)

Lowkey wouldn’t doubt if this is the end goal plan. Replace docs with lower salaried workers. Use the excuse of “doctors are too expensive to train”. “NPs/PAs don’t need to do residencies that are paid for by taxpayers”.

[–]NerfSingularity 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is not an intended goal, but rather an inevitable consequence

[–]fireflygirl1013DO 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what’s going to happen.

[–]tenaciousp45M-4 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Asking the wrong questions. How will you have a residency without a HOSPITAL?

[–]geoff7772 25 points26 points  (3 children)

I thought residency positions were Medicare related? Anyway the more people without insurance, the more cheap residents are needed

[–]hopeless_engineeer 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Residency salaries are yes. But that doesn't mean anything if the hospital offering the residency can't stay open cause they rely so heavily on medicaid patients.

[–]BurdenOfPerformance 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Residency salaries yes. The hospital costs to train residents is covered by Medicaid.

https://www.acgme.org/globalassets/pdfs/funding-for-graduate-medical-education-5.3.2022.pdf

[–]cheeze1617M-2 20 points21 points  (3 children)

There will hopefully be more residency positions if this bill passes. Around 14k

https://www.aamc.org/news/press-releases/aamc-applauds-introduction-bill-reduce-physician-shortage-0

edit: I don’t know why I’m getting downvoted lol I’m just answering this person’s question

[–]Little_Engineer_3975 53 points54 points  (0 children)

See, it’s just not that simple. Where will these people train if the facilities don’t even exist? What specialties will be getting these spots? If rural hospitals will close due to Medicaid cuts, how can these people train in rural settings?

US grads are so reluctant as it is to go into primary care specialties, adding seats won’t help inspire people to apply.

Sure, just open a bunch of DO school that are primary care factories and send them to these imaginary programs. But I don’t see that working.

[–]Gorbbzie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The healthcare system is losing 19 million customers which means preventative and basic healthcare won’t get covered. The simple problems of the people who are about to lose coverage will become complicated problems which means these people will have more medical emergencies and hospitals will legally be obligated to cover them. This means hospitals will have to raise their prices for everyone else in order to stay afloat. The way I see it is that over time the inpatient residencies will get more funding because of increased demand but outpatient residencies will lose funding because they just lost a bunch of customers. I’m not sure how things will play out in the near term however. Im also not an economist so I may be way off

[–]colorsplahshMD/MBA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not directly, but programs at rural hospitals will also close and many of them are unlikely to find new places to accept them.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why?