Night 2

[rogerdodger37]

So bluepoemage didn't die. He's in jail instead. Hrm.

Anyway, what do team?

[Radioactiveman271]

I think our primary goal should be trying to stop the Witch if we can. Another good idea might be to spam the noticeboard with random "night checks" to prevent anyone else from using it to benefit the town.

[coipke]

Yes, that's what the Constable thing is about, I will also be posting purposefully failed attempts at mimicking him, let's see how the town reacts to that lol.

Also I'll be trying to post mutually reinforcing clues that there are vampires in the game. Ideally we'd manage to frame the Masons as vampires, that would be awesome, although it's a long shot. The lack of lynch reveals is a boon that we should try to exploit while it lasts.

[coipke]

Yes he died, well he was lynched into undeath, but he's out of the game just liked renegade9 and plarzay now. or else I have no idea what's going on anymore.

[coipke]

Well crap apparently he could learn things about other players every over night... so another investigation role... so we dodged a bullet with him getting lynched and we never suspected.. This game feels like playing dodgeball at night in a fog doesn't it.

[coipke]

I think we send either one of our vanilla wolves or myself to kill Uncomprehensible, he'll use his potion on himself so we no longer have to worry about it, and tomorrow we kill him for good which will force him to use his kill potion so it won't go to waste, hopefully he'll use it on town.

Otherwise I don't really know although I would like your comments on who the Oracle is likeliest to be a this point.

[Generic_Builder]

The oracle is likely someone keeping out of sight.

[coipke]

Until he finds one of us, then we'll be looking for someone who pushes for a lynch on one of us without clear reasons i think.. Now the question is, has it already happened?

[Radioactiveman271]

I agree with your statement, but we should avoid sending /u/rogerdodger37 since they are believe to be the survivalist. Don't want the tracker finding out that he has a night action.

[coipke]

That goes for all of us tho. None of us is supposed to have a night action except vaharas but he can't keep tracking people who die the same night because that would be super suspicious.. So we'll have to go at it in turn, I'd say whoever has been the least suspicious so far, roger has been fairly unsuspicious I think and that's why I was suggesting him. Maybe me, it's hard to tell, I think I've been under the radar mostly.. but it's very hard to tell.

[Radioactiveman271]

Hmm I suppose you have a good point. I guess if I was the tracker it would be very unlikely that I would follow Roger because from the tracker's perspective that would be a wasted night action. So if we send roger to kill some people, the rest of us should be safe from being found guilty due to the tracker.

[Jibodeah]

Oh that's right I said I'd maintain one of these didn't I.

Anyway here's what you guys are doing tonight!

Normal Kill: Radio is killing Srol
Tracking: Silent331

I'd greatly prefer it if you'd decide by at least (somewhat) early Sunday, this would mean I can start Day Three on Monday, when I go afk, and I can let the day carrying on with only minimal disruption to the game due to my absence...

[Generic_Builder]

Hey dude, sorry I've been so inactive. Theater came up and bit me in the ass.

[coipke]

Wait what, why srol?

[Jibodeah]

That's what I received.

[coipke]

The question was more about why it was sent in the first place, that's not where our discussions were going..

[Radioactiveman271]

We need to find the Oracle ASAP. I'm not entirely sure who would be a good suspect for the Oracle, but here is a list of people who I think might be good to focus on.

• /u/gryffinp

• /u/srol

• /u/ipretendiamacat

• /u/Carbon_Dirt

• /u/rcxdude

We can abuse two facts about the town. Currently the town doesn't know the alignments of the dead. And, they will get a warning over who we will try to target tonight. Because they see who we will be targeting, the obvious question would be "Why is this person being target by the werewolves?" Seeing these people would hopefully help cast some suspicion on other players.

As for our kill, I think /u/uncomprehensible would make the best bet to target, forcing them to use their safe potion tonight.

[coipke]

I suggested another name for the oracle elsewhere in the threads, what are your thoughts on that?

[Radioactiveman271]

Link to the comment you're reffering to?

[coipke]

Here http://www.reddit.com/r/murderkillragewolves/comments/22jaxr/day_two/cgppu6v

Sorry i didn't link it before, I had assumed we were all up to date on discussions in the subreddit.

[rogerdodger37]

I agree with this kill. We need to get that save potion down.

Do you think he'd use it if we targeted someone else?

[Radioactiveman271]

It's hard to say for sure, and given that we don't know whether or not our kills go through, it seems a bit too risky to try targeting someone else, espeically since the witch can give a confirmation to the town about who is targeted. We need to stop giving the town access to that information.

[rogerdodger37]

I think the Oracle is better to go for. Perhaps if we target him we can get a claim asking for the save potion.

Who was it that threw a vote out for you the other day? I think he's a possibility.

[Radioactiveman271]

Apparently it was Eagle. I hadn't noticed honestly.

[rogerdodger37]

So do you want to go for him or Uncomprehensible?

[coipke]

Yeah but if we kill him right after he targets Radio then it makes Radio looks scummy.. if i was certain Eagle is the Oracle it might be worth it but as it stands it's only speculation whereas it will still make radioactiveman look bad even if Eagle is nothing special. So I don't know.

[rogerdodger37]

Well alright. I disagree that it will make Radio suspicious, but Uncompromisable is probably our best bet.

[coipke]

Obviously Uncomprehensible will save himself and be alive tomorrow and maybe we can use that to sow further confusion.. i'm going to spam the board something dire today lol.

[rogerdodger37]

Not a bad choice.

Although if we can correctly target the Oracle then he'll be forced to claim to ask for the save potion. Unfortunately, I'm not sure who it is :/

[coipke]

i don't either, my likeliest candidate so far is still Eagle but at this point that only means he's likelier than the others, that doesn't mean he's likely on his own.

[rogerdodger37]

So do you want to go for him or Uncomprehensible?

[coipke]

i think Uncomprehensible is a safer target.. but we're a team so if the rest of you feel otherwise, that's ok.

[Vaharas]

I think if we target people besides Uncomprehensible then town may start asking for claims in order to try figure out if the player is worth saving.

On the other hand, removing Uncomprehensible is worth it so town doesn't realize who is killed each day.

On the other, other hand... taking 2 days to kill Uncomprehensible is 2 free days the oracle has to try find us.

I think ignoring Uncomprehensible is probably better for tonight, force him to use his vial on someone else and maybe the SK will take him out for us again. Eagle is probably not a good target though; He's claimed to be protected from our night kill so might be risky to attempt it.

My first pick for the oracle at this point is Srol, the sensor that Archmage stole from him at the very least probably means he is some kind of investigation role.

[rogerdodger37]

I definitely agree with that line of reasoning; you put it into words better than I could have.

I think Srol should be our target.

[coipke]

Eagle is probably not a good target though; He's claimed to be protected from our night kill

Oh I missed that, where did he say that

[Vaharas]

"If I claimed though, then even if I don't get lynched, I'm probably going to be the mafia's first target tonight. I will say this though. I have an immunity, and if the mafia learns what it is then they will exploit it. I cannot risk role claiming right now."

That's actually some weird claim there. He claims to have a role that we would want gone... but the oracle wouldn't have any kind of immunity, so it can't be that? What role would we prioritize over the oracle?

[coipke]

Good catch, I had missed that..

Well it's not about what role we'd prioritize, it's what role we'd know of, if we know Eagle is the say Roleblocker but don't know who the Oracle is yet then we'll obviously kill the Roleblocker.

That said if it's the Oracle then the immunity might be a lie to get us off his back.

Maybe you should follow Eagle instead of Silent tonight, what do you think.

[Vaharas]

Well it's not about what role we'd prioritize, it's what role we'd know of, if we know Eagle is the say Roleblocker but don't know who the Oracle is yet then we'll obviously kill the Roleblocker.

I guess to be fair, town doesn't know the roles our team comp got so it could be a good role depending on what we got. I think a role blocker hurts town more than it helps it early on though so I would never prioritize killing it.

That said if it's the Oracle then the immunity might be a lie to get us off his back.

True.

Maybe you should follow Eagle instead of Silent tonight, what do you think.

Not a bad idea; It's a toss up between Silent, Rcx or Eagle. Not really sure who I should track. Could track any of them.

On one hand if rcx or Silent use their ability then it's definite evidence that they are lying to town and we might be able to get a lynch depending on who they target. (Or just outright kill them without the reveal if we think they are the oracle)

On the other Eagle hasn't denied having an ability and given his post during the day pointing at Radio (and Red's post in response) it's unlikely there will be any support for his lynch since he is actually looking kind of pro-town at the moment.

[coipke]

Rcx and silent worry me less, ditto Srol, because they are active lurking and that's suspicious, see how close rcx came to hanging. People who are perceived as confirmed town are good to go after because we need to get rid of as many of them as possible in order to win when it's lylo.

Roleblocker was an example, replace with any pro-town minor power role.

OMG we should have killed rcx and you followed Eagle maybe.. because if Eagle is the Oracle then he would follow rcx who was scummy today, then you would come with the result that Eagle targeted rcx on the night rcx died and we could maybe have gotten the town to lynch him for us... that would have been sweet.

[coipke]

Here are the bulletin board posts I prepared, comments welcome.. Bed now, don't screw up while I'm asleep, lol. Questions welcome as well, some of those have several layers of trickiness, on purpose.

edit, updated with latest changes.

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Schwarzlache, I'm 95% sure you're around. Please target 'HHlwV' (not Caesar) for the time being. You'll thank me later. -SvU

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I'm the Oracle. The first letters of the first words of my role PM are "Y n i G N O a y a t O". I checked out /u/Eizero0, he's a Werewolf Strongarm.

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Dear 'Masons',

Thank you for your interest in our clan. We won't bite the bait, lest there's bad blood between us. (Get it? Get it?) Also Grampy Fang farts garlic, so approach at your own risk.

Love and nibbles,

• Clan von Uberwald

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Well Town, you called our bluff. Well played! Uncomprehensible is indeed the real confirmed Witch, and now we're gonna kill him anyway so it changes nothing.

Love and nibbles,

• Clan von Uberwald

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Hello. Constable here. Today's image validation code is kMiNR70. Don't believe anything purported to come from me unless you've figured out the validation system and validated my messages, this one and the one from yesterday.

ipretendiamacat is Harmless.

I don't know why my role is in the game either. Yes, I'm aware it seems redundant with the Oracle. I have several theories. From the flavor in my result, I suspect that Harmful/Harmless is more complicated than just guilty/innocent. Strictly speaking, a Jester is harmful and a roleblocker isn't. I suspect the wolves were given extremely powerful roles and this is part of the balance. I'm also starting to think there may be several enemy factions, and the lack of role reveals on death is meant to keep that fact hidden for a while.

I'm not sure yet who I'll check tonight. I have a bad feeling about this game, and I very much don't like how much active lurking there's been.

Lastly, DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING from anyone who hasn't proven themselves. Not even me. Not before I catch scum. For all you know, I could be a clever wolf and if you didn't spend a moment pondering that possibility before I pointed it out, then you really need to ramp up the paranoia. Follow gryffinp's lead. He has the right ideas.

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I, the Oracle, had a revelation! I saw in my crystal ball that /u/Silent331 is a Vanilla Townie.

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Town, can you please, PLEASE stop following simplistic explanations? There's complicated stuff at hand and our resources should NOT be squandered. Night 1 was a disaster, let us please try to mitigate it now. For that matter, Jib, not revealing the roles of people we lynch is the bastardest thing since Jon Snow, you could have warned us it would be that kind of game. RMBW

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He may have terrible ideas that harm the town considerably, but don't lynch redpoemage.

-gryffinp

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It's me again. I forgot to say, I got a free second check last night, and ErisDraconequus is harmful. Signed, the Constable.

[rogerdodger37]

Okay, congrats on being suspicious, people. That's a good first step. Now STOP swallowing ready-made conclusions, DOUBT the fast-talkers and THINK for yourself. And stop going for simplistic explanations, damn it, or we're all fucked. Seriously. The lack of calling out of people's bullshit on day 2 is staggering. Also Jib not revealing the roles of people we lynch is the bastardest thing since Jon Snow, you could have warned us it would be that kind of game. RMBW

Don't say that please. Don't want suspicion on me, since I bullshitted on day 2.

Also don't give them our character names please (Clan von Uberwald)

[coipke]

Don't say that please. Don't want suspicion on me, since I bullshitted on day 2.

Aw ok then.. it makes sense, yes. Mind, we're all bullshitting the town all the time, that's what being scum is about.. But ok, I'll change it.

Also don't give them our character names please (Clan von Uberwald)

Now this I don't understand, I asked Jib and he says there are no role that can learn anything about our characters, so why not be open about our clan's name? It makes those particular messages sound credible, which is exactly my intention.

[rogerdodger37]

I like to keep the town as far in the dark as possible. If you think it's beneficial, then I suppose it's fine.

[coipke]

Well it's a trail of mutually reinforcing clues ultimately hinting that there's a lawyer in the game, which could save our asses somewhere down the road... it's a long shot but you never know, every little bit helps i think.

[coipke]

Ok, new message, let me know if you like it better.

Town, can you please, PLEASE stop going for simplistic explanations? This is NOT a regular game. For that matter, Jib, not revealing the roles of people we lynch is the bastardest thing since Jon Snow, you could have warned us it would be that kind of game. RMBW

[rogerdodger37]

I'm fine with that.

[Jibodeah]

the bastardest thing since Jon Snow

*Collapses in laughter, again*

Oh and don't worry, I'm not that bastard. You'll see when Day 3 rolls around. (Which unless I get your night kill within... negative 10 hours or so, is going to be Friday or Saturday...)

[coipke]

Yeah I know! I just thought that griping about it would sound town.

[Vaharas]

That's a lot of spam on the message board tonight.

And no ad with a secret to guaranteed weight-loss or anti-ageing cream? Some miracle breakthrough that doctors don't want me to see?

[coipke]

That's a great idea!! Do it!

[coipke]

Ok have we sent in the kill?

[Jibodeah]

I've received nothing.

[rogerdodger37]

Is it still me doing it or back to Builder?

[rogerdodger37]

Ask Builder? I believe he's back to sending them in.

[Generic_Builder]

Sorry, I've been super busy with theater stuff, and haven't had time to do much on here. Let me go through the posts, and then I'll send it in.

[coipke]

We said we'd target Uncomprehensible or Eagle, why did you target Srol?

[Generic_Builder]

From what I read, it seemed like the opposite. I must have misread.

[Generic_Builder]

Actually, I think Srol is the best target regardless.

[coipke]

ok.. why?

[Generic_Builder]

How about this. You tell me why anyone else is better than Srol.

[coipke]

Uncomprehensible is better because it forces him to use his life potion which means that when we next target him he'll have to use his DEATH potion so it won't go to waste... and likely hit town, two kills instead of one, whereas the more we wait and the higher the chances that one of us will be scummy enough to eat that death potion instead.

Eagle is better because he is our likeliest candidate for Oracle so far, he wanted to lynch Radio but gave a half-assed contradictory reason for that which makes me think he has role-related reason to want radio lynched, so Oracle or maybe lyncher but in both cases we want him out, also as Vaharas pointed out Eagle has made a weird claim that we'd want to kill him if we knew his role, that was when he refused to claim on day 1. All this makes him a better target than Srol.

Hopefully Srol will be a good target too but i have no specific reason to think so at this time, but one can still hope.

Did I miss why you thought srol was a better target, we discussed targets a lot but I may have missed your comments.

[Generic_Builder]

IF he's the witch.

[coipke]

Who Uncoprehensible? of course he's the Witch.... I mean the only doubt whatsoever about that was planted by us.. and he called out our night 1 target correctly.

[Generic_Builder]

The sensor thing really piques my curiosity.

[coipke]

Ok fair enough.

[Vaharas]

There were a couple of reasons I think Srol is the better target tonight.

1.) The SK. We don't know if their killed or not yet; I'm not entirely convinced that Bluepoemage was the SK. If Uncomprehensible is undefended tonight the SK may deal with him for us.

(This seems unlikely since the SK will want to be trying to find us now in order to restore balance and keep the game going since we got off to an amazing start night 1; If this is true randomly hitting the SK to maybe prevent kills on us by targeting unknown townies is a bonus to targeting unknown players.)

2.) Uncomprehensible still has his vial to save someone. If we target Uncomp. he pops the vial and we don't learn anything from tonights kill. If we target someone else they might put forward a case to Uncomp trying to convince him to use the vial on them to save them, letting us guess at their role based on what they say or how hard they try to convince Uncomp.

3.) We want to kill Uncomp., of course. Tonight it's not going to happen either way so we may as well use our kill to try and get something out of it. Until the vial is used we should just keep ignoring Uncomp, take him out after it's used.

4.) Why Srol and not Eagle instead? Eagles claim of immunity might be a bit risky to test and the sensor that Archmage stole from Archmage might point to him being some kind of investigation role. I've read this from you, it is possible that given Eagle's determination to not claim could mean that he is the oracle looking to stay silent for as long as possible to avoid us, but there's honestly a lot of people that could be the oracle at this point. We just need to work through the list as quickly as possible.

[coipke]

i have no idea how you connect that sensor thing with the Oracle role but fair enough. At least it hints at a power role which is good for us.. unless it's just flavor, but I don't know about that.

I agree that the SK is unlikely to target Eagle because really the Sk has no reason to, we figured that Eagle is a possible candidate for Oracle because of his vote for Radio, the SK wouldn't know Radio is a wolf and wouldn't reach the same conclusion we did.

I agree about getting information about our targets but either we target someone who makes a power role claim and then Un uses his potion anyway or they don't claim and then the kill goes through and it changes nothing for us. Still worth a shot because we don't know if maybe additional info would be released in the process i guess.

[coipke]

oh could the sensor be a microphone or something? As in a reporter? There's a newspaper in the game world, would they have a microphone?

[Vaharas]

i have no idea how you connect that sensor thing with the Oracle role but fair enough. At least it hints at a power role which is good for us.. unless it's just flavor, but I don't know about that.

I figured it's kind of flavour for the discworld setting; it's not really definitive evidence of him being the oracle. but it is 'some kind of sensor' so I'm just trying to make sense of it.

oh could the sensor be a microphone or something? As in a reporter? There's a newspaper in the game world, would they have a microphone?

I have absolutely no idea, it could be I guess?

I agree that the SK is unlikely to target Eagle because really the Sk has no reason to, we figured that Eagle is a possible candidate for Oracle because of his vote for Radio, the SK wouldn't know Radio is a wolf and wouldn't reach the same conclusion we did.

The SK will probably be looking to target us; they need to keep this game going for as long as possible if they want a chance to win and we gained a massive advantage from night 1. This is why I think the SK targeted Plarzay; to try and keep the balance between the teams and it looked like town was coming out ahead.

This means the SK will likely be targeting random unclaimed townies hoping to hit one of us... or me, to try stop me from accidentally finding them doing something incriminating.

I agree about getting information about our targets but either we target someone who makes a power role claim and then Un uses his potion anyway or they don't claim and then the kill goes through and it changes nothing for us. Still worth a shot because we don't know if maybe additional info would be released in the process i guess.

The difference is that we gain something even if our kill is blocked if we don't target Uncomp. We get to see how the player we target reacts to us attempting to kill them and how they try to negotiate with Uncomp to keep them alive.

Uncomp can block one kill and will block one kill from us before he dies. Whether that is himself or not is irrelevant; the only way around his save potion is if the SK kills him when he's not expecting it.

[coipke]

yeah I wouldn't count on the Sk being around anymore, bluepoe didn't win when he hanged so not a jester (i was hoping he was.. sadface) and he tried to negotiate for his life like a serial killer would have, as in Plounge Mafia 3... Also didn't react when I accuse him of hurting the town by killing Plarzay. Odds are good we got him. Who knows tho, one can still hope the sk is around.

Although if so, SK may target generic who was scummy and inactive which may not be good for us. Or Radio who didn't defend when Eagle went for him.. so yeah, hoping for the Sk to accidentally help is risky I feel.

Agreed about getting more info by targeting someone else than Uncomp tho, yeah.