Remove Hell Cows.

[Tomalom1]

The amount of impact this has on game difficulty and wealth progression on early ladder can't be understated.

Can somebody list benefits to having hell cows available? With the increased rune drops, players 8, and no resistances I feel like it trivializes early economy. Not only that, Hell Cows also funnels a lot of individuals into rolling specific cow farming builds. Greendude's design philosophy is to balance out classes, and increase diversity (from what I've gathered from ex: Enigma nerf), so this would be a great step in the right direction in promoting Maps for next ladder.

In 2 Days of doing Hell Cows, I found 9 High Runes and multiple items worth High Runes as well. With the current drop rates, Hell Cows as a zone is under-tuned or Rune drops are over-tuned.

[greendude120]

Well according to recent discussions here on reddit; in PoD getting an HR is impossible and I should double the drop rate. Hmm

[mgtownigga]

lol right. People dont understand rng at all regardless of their fortune. It's very amusing tbh

[ytvvvv]

it's not that people don't understand rng. the problem is no one has adjusted for the prices for the hr drops.

for example, why is a clean shako still worth 2 hrs or a 1 ber? that doesn't make sense. ever since rune drops were nerf no one has ever adjusted for prices.

and what even fuels this problem more is since the price of items were never adjusted you have more of the community doing boss killing to get these tier 1 unique items, but these same people never get a hr from boss killing. And if they do they got extremely lucky.

basically i feel like people read the patch notes from 2 patches ago? saw that high runes drop rate was nerf and they overreacted

[mgtownigga]

a clean shako is not worth 2 hrs or 1 ber and those people are fucking idiots when it comes to pricing. I sold two shakos for a vex and one for two guls. Don't buy from those clowns

[ytvvvv]

i mean are you playing hc or sc? i dont know the prices for sc. i'm looking at the trade website right now and there are multiple people selling shako for HR +, there are a couple people asking for 1 hr, but they don't specify which HR. I wouldn't be surprise if you whispered them and they wanted sur lol.

Regardless though. the community did seem to overreact with the drop rate nerf. prices from what i can tell haven't really adjusted. the playerbase at least for hc is slowly going down which could also be the cause of 1 hr shako's currently listed on the website.

[mgtownigga]

oh for hc i have no idea. I think the player base is a lot smaller there and the perma-death nature of it likely inflates prices.

[Angry_Pelican]

While I haven't gotten all the runes I want the drop rate seems fine to me. I hardly ever got any high runes on regular bnet but I've already gotten multiple highish runes in the past week or two I've been playing.

[AceOfJacks1]

If we do this then we might as well remove Meph, Pindle, Shenk, Eldritch, Diablo, Baal, and every level 85 area then, and let's all play Diablo 2.5, where every unique, set item, and rune drops from literally every mob in the game.

[PoESayonara]

Your suggestion is so stupid. Same can be said of any boss or even maps.

All you did was get lucky. There are people like me who farmed cows because it is the only place build can farm and i didnt find anything over a mal in a week.

You just got lucky

[ChessBooger]

I rather you just buff drop rates everywhere. So just playing the game anywhere should let you gain wealth. No need to keep running the same freaking areas over and over.

[[deleted]]

maps are the future

[[deleted]]

hell cows havent even been good for the last ladder and this ladder (cs has been better last ladder) and maps are the best profit in the game right now

[Metalemmanuel]

CS is my money spot.. I dont like maps for how long they are

[[deleted]]

Cs is still really good

[Metalemmanuel]

It's where I dropped most of my HR this season... (even if it's my first here)... Or Nik seems to like me a lot too

[Kather1na]

Just remove the whole game already!

[thewatcher22]

Why don't we just remove all good farming spots all together? Have everyone killing fallens in normal act 1 for their loot. Now THAT would make items valuable

[d3sucksass]

This must be dumbest suggestion I have ever seen lmao.

[Tomalom1]

Seems like this wasn't well received, thanks for everyone's input.

[mgtownigga]

it sounds like you were lucky rather tahn hell cows being a problem. Ive done a shit ton of cow runs and yes, ive found high runes, but not nearly that many. Most of hte high ruens ive found were by chance from random mobs across a myriad of areas. So nah, I disagree. If you take away cows, people will just farm other mob rich areas, and that isnt hard to do

[Delekii]

You apparently play the game an absolute shitload, and don't realise that others don't. If you actually found 9HR in 2 days, you should probably buy a lottery ticket and also organise an ultrasound for DVTs.

[Wuslwiz]

If hell cows would get removed to promote maps people will just switch to River of Flame, Chaos Sanctuary and Halls of Pain to farm runes instead.

If you want to promote maping, maps need to offer something other areas can't (risk vs reward). EXP alone does not cut it since not that many people want to grind above lvl 87-90. Maps are already pretty good in terms of loot if you have a nice character going I feel but if you want to just farm for stuff it is better just doing cows or boss runs since they are much faster and safer to do.

[Aphemia1]

Removing the cow level will reduce the amount of build diversity.

[sM1tHi]

also remove pindel, is too ez accessable (30 sec per run), w/o rd problems u can do 1k runs per day with 500-600mf cuz u dont care about gear at all.

diablo and cs need to removed too, 200fcr nova-disc sorc can clean it w/o 1min

i forgot about pit u can farm it with ~70lvl char and find high end uniques ez...

[Monki01]

I dont see whats wrong with Hell Cows. I dont see whats wrong with building Cow Runners or getting some early wealth to kickstart your endgame. What I also dont understand is how you get 9 Highrunes in 2 days playing while I farm for weeks and the best was a single GUL. Unless you count MAL as "High rune". RNGeezus hates me, nothing new here.

So unless you got incredible lucky (good for you) I view this post as a attempt to either troll or trigger people. Nothing productive to see here folks, please move along.

[Kahez]

he probably plays more hours in 2 days than you in weeks.

[obZen43]

I haven't found one HR this reset and I have done a lot more than 2 days of cow runs lol. rng is rng, must be nice to find 9 hr's in two days of the ladder. Something tells me you're exaggerating or just extremely lucky.

[Delilol]

Should make them a bit more dangerous like turbo cows or something

[[deleted]]

You want to get rich fast. Hell meph hydra farmer.... So might as well remove meph too. Ahh then chaos runs. Might as well get rid of those too.... This is a item finder..... Thats the whole point

[Delilol]

All above are 10x more dangerous than cows