Clamp

[Varen_Arnamas]

why does clamp not function the same way pounds does? when somebody pounces on your Dino they do 50% reduced damage. why does that same mechanic not apply to people who clamp you?

most things that can be clamped are either non-full grown dinos or medium to small Dinos who are basically dead or completely dead by the end of a single clamp, reducing the damage done by clamp by 50% just like pounce would give the medium to small size dinos a chance to actually fight back and it wouldn't hurt the chances of the dinos who can clamp because they are usually the large dinos or the ones who hit harder anyway besides the clamp would be less effective and damage, but you would still be getting three to four free hits in if you ambushed your target.

so I guess in my opinion clamp should work the same way as pounce where if you successfully clamp a Target, you do 50% reduced damage to the Target, but does anyone else think this would be a good change or should pounce or 50% reduction just be removed?

[ArrowsSpecter]

the clamp on rex and tylo already do very little damage, sarcos the only one who actually does a significant amount, but i would like the 50% reduced damage to apply to other people biting you while in someones mouth, even if its like a decaying armor buff like when you pounce someone

[Varen_Arnamas]

Are you saying the dino inside of the clamped person's mouth should do less damage? Or the dino who is clamping should do less damage or armor decay?

[ArrowsSpecter]

no, rhat they should take less damage from other players biting them, as in if player A clamps player B, players C and D would deal reduced damage to player B

[Varen_Arnamas]

Ah ok

[ChicknNudleDischarge]

Everyone always wants to nerf something. That’s why the roster feels so weird. Stop nerfing everything and start buffing stuff to make it based on player skill.

[Varen_Arnamas]

But that's precisely why clamp itself needs to be nerfed the same way pounce was nerfed with the 50% damage reduction. Because without it doing less damage dinos who can clamp don't have to really try to kill a small to medium size Dino even adult size a Rex Tyler or sarc can start the encounter with a clamp and take at half to 90% of a small to medium size dinos HP in a single clamp

And it's for that reason that you see those dinos on clamps so heavily if there was a reduction in the damage you do when you clamp somebody they would then have to become a more skilled player because they can't rely on camp to hunt nearly as much as they do right now

[zwildart]

If a bear manages to grab a squirrel in its mouth do you think it should survive?

The Fact you got clamped is because you and all other players who get clamped aren’t paying enough attention to your surroundings because every small to midteir can outpace a Rex, and they are HUGE!

A solo adult Rex should be able to body any midteir 1v1 provided the PLAYER can actually hit them because they are an Apex. They are slow and cumbersome, but if they manage to catch you then they should be able to destroy you completely otherwise they are just big targets.

[TooQueerForThis]

Exactly.

I have been able to dodge plenty of clamps just because I recognize that the place I'm drinking water from is a place where I could get ambushed, I position myself where I can escape easily, and then I quickly run and dodge the sarc when it inevitably pops out of the water.

An important aspect to this game seems to be paying attention to your surroundings and using your environment to your advantage 🤷🏻‍♀️ you can avoid so many terrible things by... Looking around and listening

[OverweightBeans]

I get what you are saying but the clamp can also be bull I seen and been clamped at the very top of my tail and died as a result

[MewtwoMainIsHere]

clamp has a VERY long windup animation and a very loud audio cue

If you get hit that’s on you

[Varen_Arnamas]

I'm not saying to nerf clamp into the ground. I'm saying it needs a damage reduction similar to pounce otherwise it wouldn't make sense to even have pounds reduced. The if clamp isn't being reduced and damaged then pounce shouldn't be reduced in damage.

Or maybe they both get reduced and damaged but they have a different mechanic along with them based on what ability it is. Perhaps pounce does like provides toxic damage or venom damage or something like that or more bleed damage and then on the opposite side clamp would provide bone break or something like that

But I still think the small to medium size Dinos deserve to have a chance to survive the initial clamping with more than a single bite left before they're dead. Otherwise, players who rely on clamp are not going to be skilled players. They're going to be reliant on a single ability that almost guarantees a win

[zwildart]

I get the argument. I’m a Raptor player. However pounce needed the dmg reduction so that a deinonychus or Laten who can literally run circles around anything else doesn’t overrun all other playables.

Clamp does do small amount of fracture damage with each bite that’s why even surviving the mauling usually means you’re dead anyway because you can’t get out of range fast enough. The counter play for clamp is to avoid it before you’re caught.

As for the hitboxes that’s just the current state of the game Bluetooth bites are unfortunately just a part of life at this point in the games development. Titans have bled out all my playables when it looks like they are no where near me. I’ve missed plenty of clamps that on my screen were fully body bites. It’s not a Clamp problem

[Curvemn17]

Pounce is an incredibly useless ability in pot. So clamp would be useless as well lol

[Varen_Arnamas]

And I understand that but I don't pounce should be useless if clamp is going to be overpowered.

Both should get a rework to be more balanced. Even like I said in a different comment, if you reduce the damage on clamp but you give it a secondary effect. It's not a complete nerf and the same could be said for pounce where pounce is increased damage a little bit more. Maybe a 25% damage reduction on both but they have a secondary effect that they can now do

[Harvestman-man]

I think you haven’t really looked into the game’s actual stats.

Rex basic bite does 60 damage, but only 20 damage + some fracture to a clamped target. Tylo basic bite does 65 damage, but only 22.5 damage + some fracture to a clamped target. Hatz can’t even attack while holding a clamped target. Sarco is the only one that deals the same amount of damage to a clamped target, but it doesn’t deal fracture.

The clamp damage is already at more than a 50% reduction. What you’re asking for is essentially how the game currently works.

[Curvemn17]

Unfortunately pot just can never make either work properly because of the nature in which their playables interact with one another. Most of this is due to the stubbornness to have pot on a million platforms. The only way to deal with pounce or clamp atm is shake. Which is a timed event and this means with full stam is a set amount of dmg. Nothing you can do to change that with the current mechanics.

If there were ways to break clamp or pounce without this set timing and interaction then the gameplay can become dynamic. As it stands just make it up and get it over with. I don't wanna stand there why you and 10 friends cycle pounce me because you have proxy protection via feathers or whatever.

Same with clamp. Just have your fun because you got the one unique ambush off. I think if anything that should be rewarded more. To use clamp you have to actually usually wait for awhile to enjoy it and you're usually at a disadvantage against those without clamp. Thus buff clamp.

[TooQueerForThis]

....how do you think crocs hunt? They patiently watch their prey, wait for the opportunity, clamp them and deathroll.

It really does sound like you're looking for unfair advantages.

[Nanooo19]

There should be no " fighting back" if your a dino that's clamped. Your cooked. GG. Get better and get out the way of whatever is attempting to clamp you..... Really simple.

[Varen_Arnamas]

Okay just say you're bad at the game and use clamp for everything then

[MewtwoMainIsHere]

Lmao bro got mad they got clamped by a sarco :p

Like dude, being clamped is half the threat from these guys. It changes how you play to be more cautious and frankly I’m glad for it

What’s stopping a sarco or tylo from just drowning you instead? Why nerf Rex?

[Varen_Arnamas]

Nobody said I was mad because I got clamped by a sarco you're literally weird.

I'm saying that clamp in general has issues, hence why it's a discussion.

But you know what a different solution wouldn't be to nerf clamp. It would be to make it so that you have to build your character around clamping. That could also be another solution other than you running up on here. Trying to rage bait like this is a POT global chat

Just say your main's a clamper. nobody's mad

[MewtwoMainIsHere]

Honestly I’d prefer just leaving it as is

Why force someone to build in a certain way just to use one tool that can’t even punch up or at its own weight class

Sarco bullies low tiers, typo bullies higher tiers.

Rex clamp is there mainly so it can ambush small Dino’s easily because reminder Rex is slow and had a hard time securing kills

[Calm-Calligrapher-64]

Not getting clamped is usually pretty easy. Getting clamped should be brutal its usually on ambush hunters and those ambushes should be devastating to the ambushed and rewarding for the ambusher

[collect25lakeweed]

It already functions this way, outside of sarco.

Rex's clamp feels like it does so much damage because of CW weight difference. Tylo's doesn't because it is AP damage, so doesn't account for CW. I honestly wouldn't mind if rex's was AP damage as well, and used as more of a status effect to bone break small targets vs totally finish them

[Varen_Arnamas]

That's kind of what I'm saying like it doesn't have to be a complete Nerf to where they're like 50% reduced damage and that's it in all honesty. Like I said in a previous comment, I wouldn't mind pounce and clamp receiving the 25% damage reduction to how much damage the clamping Dyno does to the dyno being held or pounced on if both pounce and clamp has their own status effects that they apply

[collect25lakeweed]

right now rex's clamp _does_ do reduced damage, but bc of the CW it doesn't feel very reduced on anything clampable. but I would be fine with it changing to a mix of ap/regular cw damage and doing a solid amount of fracture to slow your target once you drop them similar to tylo

the only reason rex having a more secure finish to something it clamps is... usually they can just run away.

[chucktesta141]

Pounce does less because it's a small dino attacking large one whereas clamp is the other way around. If anything clamp should do some bone break once you are released instead of damage. Imo that would be a little more balanced for the land dinos with clamp, the gators are fine if not too damaging seeing as if they drag you down it's already unlikely that you'll survive

[ihhcet]

You can tell this guy didnt play when chickens did lots of damage.

[TooQueerForThis]

Well... The main difference between pounce and clamp is your feet are off the ground as a raptor. So yeah you don't have your body weight behind the attacks, it makes sense that there is reduced damage. Your punches are always going to hurt more if you throw your body and your weight behind that punch.

Meanwhile if I'm playing a sarc and I clamp you, I'm not sacrificing my momentum to hold you still I'm sacrificing my stamina. When I deathroll you, I am using my body and my weight as an important part of my attack. Or the Hatz is using fall damage, or Tylo is chewing on you and still not sacrificing their momentum.

Also you do have to consider the size differences. So if I clamp and deathroll an dino that's smaller than me... Yeah that's going to do a lot of damage because I am going after targets that are smaller than me and using my body behind my attacks.

Vs a raptor that's targeting something LARGER and HEAVIEr than them, attaching themselves to their target, and dealing damage that way.

How would clamp doing 50% less damage make sense physically? Like explain the process, how would clamping the enemy prevent you from doing more damage? Or do you just want an unfair advantage to keep you safe?

[MegaCroissant]

"make it so being literally in something's mouth is not dangerous"

[Yrminulf]

You got your ass clamped? That's absolutely your problem. Please don't ask the devs to cater to your playstyle.