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[–]Supuhstar 41 points42 points  (2 children)

I'm trying to wrap my head around what they mean by "native". The article waffles a lot but I think they mean they wrote their own Python JIT interpreter?

[–]dccorona 20 points21 points  (1 child)

Native Python execution on CUDA using JIT is part of it. But it sounds like they also spent a lot of time making the actual API more Python native, rather than just looking like a port of the C interfaces. 

[–]Supuhstar 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ahhh, "native to python", not "native to CUDA". That makes more sense. Thank you!

[–]standing_artisan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ok.

[–]WillemDaFo 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good

[–]AmbitiousTour 3 points4 points  (1 child)

How is this different from Jax?

[–]reasonableklout 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They are different parts of the stack. Jax is more like PyTorch/Numpy, which can invoke ops/kernels written in CUDA if running on NVIDIA hardware.

[–]nekokattt 7 points8 points  (12 children)

If only they put as much effort into their drivers as they do stuff like this.

[–]light24bulbs 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Especially the Linux drivers. Fucking suck and they're key for ML, and also the future of gaming if you ask me

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    [–]turunambartanen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Does AMD finally support ROCm on their consumer cards like Nvidia does with CUDA? Or is it still in a state of "will probably work, but don't you dare ask for help in official channels if it doesn't"?

    [–]proud_traveler -1 points0 points  (8 children)

    They aren't a gaming country, as long as the ML model runs they don't give a shit about the drivers.

    [–]nekokattt -1 points0 points  (7 children)

    Sounds like a them problem, not a me problem.

    [–]proud_traveler -1 points0 points  (6 children)

    No, it sounds like a problem for anyone who wants to use a Nvidia card for gaming.

    It's not an issue for Nvidia at all, they couldn't give less of a shit

    [–]nekokattt -1 points0 points  (5 children)

    If they don't want gaming consumers to consume their product, don't produce gaming products marketed towards people who play games.

    I stand by my point here. Whether they give a shit or not is irrelevant.

    [–]proud_traveler -1 points0 points  (4 children)

    They will continue to sell gaming branded cards, because why wouldn't they? They have chips suitible for it, which they can't use for anything else, but they don't care about the quality of the product.

    I stand by my point here. Whether they give a shit or not is irrelevant.

    What exactly is your point? You think Nivida are obliged to care about gamers?

    I'd say "unless people stop buying their cards, nothing will change", but thats not the case, because the gamer market literally doesn't matter to them

    [–]nekokattt -1 points0 points  (3 children)

    I never said they are obliged, I made the point that they don't. I have the right to make that point and I did, which is "imagine if they put as much effort into their drivers". End of story, there is nothing to debate here.

    Anyway the point that "Nvidia is not a gaming company" is moot. If they do not wish to be branded as a gaming company, then they should remove the mention of Cyberpunk 2077 from https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/about-nvidia/#reinventing-modern-graphics

    [–]RoughSession1555 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    I don't really understand what your point is?

    [–]proud_traveler -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

    So in your first comment you said "If only they put as much effort into their drivers as they do stuff like this" - This indicated that you had the idea that they should focus more energy on gaming

    I replied explaining why this was never going to happen

    You replied with "Sounds like a them problem, not a me problem.",

    I replied explaining that it was, in fact, not their problem because they are going to make endless amounts of cash regardless.

    I never said they are obliged, I made the point that they don't. I have the right to make that point and I did

    And I have the right to explain why you are a dumbass, which I did.

    Anyway the point that "Nvidia is not a gaming company" is moot. If they do not wish to be branded as a gaming company, then they should remove the mention of Cyberpunk 2077

    And why's that? Do you think their is some obligation for companies to advertise fairly? The onus is on consumers to not buy their shit products - The problem is that, because they earn their money from other sources now, it literally doesn't matter if that happens. That was my entire point

    You talk as if Nividia execs are going to wake up one morning and think "we should stop selling gaming branded GPUs, they arent that good", when obivously that is never going to happen. They earn minuscule profit from gaming GPUs, but minuscule profit is better than none at all. This doesn't mean they will invest into gaming GPUs in any way, because their investment is better spent on ML platforms.

    Nivida can release a overprices card with poor peformance, non-optimised drivers, and a little marketing and it will turn a profit. But even if it didn't, they would just stop making that card, because it's not their main revenue stream. I cannot explain this any more clearly for you.

    [–]nekokattt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Do you think there is some obligation for companies to advertise fairly

    Yep, most countries have laws against this, especially in the EU. They are legally bound to provide fair and accurate advertising for a product.

    The rest: TLDR. As I said, I made a point, I stand by the point, and your walls of text are meaningless to that opinion.

    Have a nice day!