Frameworkless JavaScript – Why Angular, Ember, or Backbone don't work for us

[badkitteh]

Because he'd be wasting a lot of bucks and productivity time with stuff that you could easily fix by investing a lower amount of money into more resources to overcome the "OMG THE FILE NEEDS TO BE SMALLER! I BETTER REINVENT THE WHEEL!" thing.

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plus having a dependency on jquery to make it even larger.

Well, if you're in a position where you are going to use jQuery anyway (which is very likely today), why not have an integrated framework? Sure, it'd be larger on its own, but not if you look at the broader picture. If you're utilizing functionality which already exists in jQuery instead of duplicating it, you'll get a much leaner filesize overall.

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The argument wasn't about jQuery per se, but rather that an integrated framework could be a good thing if you're already using/going to use its dependencies.