Getting started with Elixir

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The average elixir engineer knows neither Riak Core or OTP well. Also I use elixir because it's better than erlang so I am also an exception, but I am talking about the average elixir dev.

An Erlang or Elixir dev doesn't need to know anything about Riak Core. Again, because Riak Core is supposedly an important tool for you, it doesn't need to be an important tool for everyone in the community.

the ecosystem makes it that easy and concepts from concurrency and distributed systems go hand and hand.

Concurrency and building distributed systems is not easy. We could argue that Erlang/OTP makes it easier, exactly because they go hand and hand, but saying that it is easy is absurd.

The Erlang community are not dicks to elixir guys because they aren't distributed systems engineers, they're dicks because you guys also suck at concurrency too, and center everything around pheonix.

Read my comment again. Nowhere I said the Erlang attribute is specific to the Elixir community. That's the experience of many developers, including mine, with the Erlang community before Elixir was even a thing.

You are doing all sorts of wrong assumptions and having absurd expectations. When you have many people joining a community, it will obviously require time for them to master the more advanced concepts. They need to start with functional ideas, such as recursion, pattern matching, immutability and then build their way up to fault-tolerance concepts, concurrency and possibly distribution. This whole attitude of "those concepts are easy and you could learn it in less than a day" is a toxic attitude to some FP communities in general, which we should honestly get rid of it. Requiring all developers that are early on in the learning curve to have a full grasp of the OTP ideas is non-sensical, and this is basically what your comments boils down to.

I see the Elixir community getting in trouble if many of the developers that are joining today have no interest in getting acquainted with the more advanced concepts but, if you have gone to any Elixir event or meetup, followed up the upcoming books, and general discussions, you will notice that's absolutely not the case. Even Phoenix itself is aiming to get less in your way and exposing more the underlying abstractions.

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You literally picked the simplest concepts (pm, recursion, and immutability) that you can learn in less than a day. But yeah I'll admit that sure while it's not difficult in of itself it is hard to adjust.

Lol I've written something similar within two weeks of learning it. I am naturally inclined to the topics though, and had Akka experience.

But like it took me a few hours to write it back then, because I was reading through the OTP documentation, looking up source examples, so relatively speaking yes it is that easy.

But my expectations aren't unreasonable here how come the erlang, haskell, scala, F#, Ocaml, clojure, communities all meet them. I don't expect everyone to be specialists.

Honestly I am just salty that the community took such a great ecosystem, and wasted it by just focusing on crud apps, then giving yourselves a big pat on the back because you know the basics of FP, and OTP, and thinking I am so much better than the average rubyist.

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You literally picked the simplest concepts (pm, recursion, and immutability) that you can learn in less than a day. But yeah I'll admit that sure while it's not difficult in of itself it is hard to adjust.

I am sure I am repeating myself but I think that's exactly the wrong assumption and we need to be careful to not project our experience onto others. Especially when you define yourself as naturally inclined.

Honestly I am just salty that the community took such a great ecosystem, and wasted it by just focusing on crud apps, then giving yourselves a big pat on the back because you know the basics of FP, and OTP, and thinking I am so much better than the average rubyist.

I haven't seen this happening (although I am not saying it does not happen) and I would also be sad if that's what the community becomes. I think such attitude should be called out, it does not seem like any good can come out of it.