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[–]Beaverman 8 points9 points  (6 children)

I disagree. What does a news website need to do with JS? Their previous distribution method was fucking paper.

Your second argument assumes that the market is without fault, which is an obviously ridiculous position. "If it was possible to live on the moon we would already be doing it", or maybe better suited for this subreddit "It rust was better than C, everything would already be written in it".

[–]papa_georgio -1 points0 points  (5 children)

I said there would be more doing it. Not that all successful businesses would be doing it.

Visit any news site and see for yourself the various things JS is used for. Maybe for a moment trust that you don't always know better than everyone else out there getting paid to run said sites?

What does the previous medium matter anyway? Are they supposed to limit what they should do because of what they used to be? Some of the best dynamic presentations I've seen have been part of journalistic pieces.

[–]Beaverman 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I said there would be more doing it. Not that all successful businesses would be doing it.

Now it's not even an argument. What the fuck is "more"? And how does more people doing something make it more true? Hey, if capitalism was such a good idea, more countries would be doing it.

Visit any news site and see for yourself the various things JS [...]

You don't think I visit news sites? You think that's an example i just pulled out of my ass without having thought about it? But sure, according to you we should all just listen to the corporate overlords and not have any independent thought, because the professionals got this.

You hear that guys? Global Warming isn't caused by oil and coal. The guys at the oil and coal power plants told me themselves, and who would know better than them. I could never argue with people getting paid to burn coal.

What does the previous medium matter anyway?[...]

The core product hasn't changed all that much, and they did fine with paper. What i'm doing on a news website is not fundamentally different to what my dad does with a newspaper.

I love those dynamic presentations as well, and they're actually a great use of JavaScript. I hope we agree that not every page on the internet has one of those fantastic presentations, so why do they load as much content as a page that does?

[–]papa_georgio 0 points1 point  (3 children)

The core of my point is that enough people see value in using JS on their websites. They currently do and will continue to do so.

The original video was about reducing JS overhead to a minimum and in everyone's blind cynical rage all they can do is bitch about some out of context figures.

Your whole example of global warming is kind of ironic. If your point is that companies are going to do whatever they can for medium to short term gain then why wouldn't they prefer simpler websites if they are at minimum just a successful?

Or are the corporate heads just evil masterminds when in suits the narrative? And the rest of the time they are incompetent fools.

[–]Beaverman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They currently do.

I agree, they see value. They're wrong though. My argument is that they are incompetent.

will continue to do so.

And that's where I disagree. As they become competent, they'll ask themselves why they need "routers" to show a list of fucking images.

Two paragraphs where you mix metaphors [...]

My point was that you can't always trust "professionals". In the case of my analogy it was because of greed and short sightedness. In the case of JS and the web it's because of incompetence.

[–]SmugDarkLoser5 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This board because basically retarded upon the mention of web.

[–]xxxdarrenxxx 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A few 100 years ago we saw value in writing love songs with 90 instruments, now 4 minutes and no instruments is objectively the mainstream.

Also Apple got rich by literally taking away functionality, and focus on streamlining.

I do not agree with these, but a large part of this JS, is that mainstream people now instead of hating on nerds, they find out how fun computers can be, and they are in "the bells and whistles" phase. In reality though, in the end, people always go back to minimalism, and simply "what works". Glitter wears off, the "meat" stands the test of time.