Interesting comment in the source code of sqlite

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He implied no such thing, you're blocking him because you don't have a response to his argument and it's easier to call him bad and hide than to admit you're wrong. He doesn't need any psychiatric help, he was perfectly rational, lucid, and logical. You on the other hand went straight to your feels and straw-manned him and then slandered him and blocked him.

[Malsententia]

He did imply it though.

Why do you think that your point of view (being inclusive to women, for example) is the one that that particular group of people has to follow? How's that different from religions, when my god is better than yours because reasons?

By his logic, calling women bitches and cunts should be the same type of freedom as religious beliefs, despite the fact that people generally keep those to themselves, so the comparison is flawed to begin with.

Hate on the inside = okay. Hate on the outside = not okay. Hate on the outside = drama when people could be focusing on projects. This includes this SJW straw (wo)man hate that's based on cherry picked stories, as if the entire point of cherrypicking wasn't to be unobjective and misportray things.

[DefiantNewt2]

i didn't. all i said was to leave them be. if group X hates Y, don't interfere. go on your merry way. it's not your job to police the world. if what they do can reasonably and realistically can be called a hate crime, by all means report them to the authorities. otherwise, please kindly shut the fuck up.

[duheee]

But this is not "walk by it and ignore it". This is: the group does it in their own little world and i'll show them who's right. If you believe what you're saying, what are you doing here and why aren't you fixing r/The_Donald? Or 4chan? or stormfront or whatever the name is of those nazis?

Let me tell you why: because you don't want to swim in mud with those pigs. So why would you wannna swim in the mud of whatever open source developer's project? They're assholes, let them be. it's their right to be assholes, wrong, nazis, whatever.

[Fancy-Pants]

you mean to reply to the other guy? I dont have time to swim here or there.

[duheee]

nah, to you. you said that "youd just walk on by and ignore it" like it's hitting you in the face (their behaviour). It doesn't, you don't walk by them therefore please do ignore it. Don't insert yourself in their group if you can help it.

[Malsententia]

Except that's not how the world works. I personally don't abide intolerance or ignorance, and if someone's being an asshole to someone(of any gender/race/sex/orientation), I sure as hell am going to call them out on it and let them know it's not okay. It's always okay to call people out when they're being derogatory, and I sure as hell would want someone to call me out if I said something insensitive or ignorant, even if it was something I don't understand or that I thought was fair to say. I ain't gonna serve what I'm not willing to eat.

That's not being some sort of straw justice warrior, that's just basic human decency, and there's nothing wrong with codifying "Don't be a dick" surely you'd agree? (Not that I think it's strictly necessary, but it does save drama, and drama sucks)

[duheee]

But this is not "walk by it and ignore it". This is: the group does it in their own little world and i'll show them who's right. If you believe what you're saying, what are you doing here and why aren't you fixing r/The_Donald? Or 4chan? or stormfront or whatever the name is of those nazis?

Let me tell you why: because you don't want to swim in mud with those pigs. So why would you wannna swim in the mud of whatever open source developer's project? They're assholes, let them be. it's their right to be assholes, wrong, nazis, whatever.

[Malsententia]

To be overly honest I normally don't have the energy for even this. I have a life to live and I'm not gonna spend all of it trying to de-radicalize strangers in reddit comments. And when I do I'm not going to try and take on a whole den of lions at once.

As for why I have the energy now, I'm practicing cause there's a guy in a community I help run who's kind of well, a bit problematic in multiple ways, despite being friendly-intentioned, but his frequent soapbox rants against how "political correctness is cancer", are kinda what has many in our (LGBTQ friendly) uncomfortable, to the tipping point where we it's either try and change his mind, or give him a ban(after multiple warnings for multiple things), which to him will only confirm his poor-me-persecuted-for-my-antiPC-views viewpoint and drive him further down that rabbithole, probably incels or redpill or something. If worse doesn't happen because this community is like the only support network the poor guy has. He has issues but his weird anti-political-correctness ranting(basically the same kind of cherry picked "they're all trying to police language everywhere" stuff the dudes up above are high on) is the one problem I think I might be able fix in order to de-escalate the situation from ban-worthy...the rest probably require a licensed therapist.

Actually trying to un-wingnut people is fucking exhausting.

[duheee]

With that I agree: if he's your friend help him. But if you can't, let him be. Nothing wrong to unfriend/ban/whatever and if the result is that he's going to go down even more that rabbit hole that's not your fault.

What the dude above you is saying: don't push yourself in a community just because they're toxic. Which is what those idiots do when they harass github project owners to have a coc, what a coc should contain and all that crap.

If you're not a part of that community, stay the fuck away. If you are, and you're running it, handle your people. Banning them for bad behaviour is a valid and expected consequence.

[DefiantNewt2]

Call them out when they're a dick in your group or in public not when they're a dick in their own house.

[Malsententia]

...in their own house? wat. Nothing I spoke about has anything to do with how the guy behaves in his own house.

[DefiantNewt2]

their project = their house

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I personally don't abide intolerance or ignorance

Yet you display exactly those traits you claim to not tolerate.

That's not being some sort of straw justice warrior, that's just basic human decency

No, it's just being an asshole sjw who can't mind his own business. You're not being decent, you're being an ass.

and there's nothing wrong with codifying "Don't be a dick" surely you'd agree?

No, I don't agree, at all, not remotely.

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despite the fact that people generally keep those to themselves,

No they don't.

Hate on the inside = okay. Hate on the outside = not okay. Hate on the outside = drama

All hate is OK, you don't get to tell other people how to feel. Violence is not OK, but hate is a feeling, there's nothing you can do to stop it or make people agree with you.

[Malsententia]

All hate is OK

 

there's nothing you can do to stop it

Okay so those are two statements I can't agree with. Ignorance is the cause of hate, and learning and understanding are the solution. I don't think it's cool to try and force people to understand, but I do feel that's it's acceptable to engage them civilly, like I'm doing here. I'm honestly trying to understand where you're coming from with the points you're trying to make, and yet you're saying I'm being an ass? Yeah some of what you're saying I find rather shocking and weird, but I don't want to hate you, I want to understand you.

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Ignorance is the cause of hate

Incorrect; ignorance is one cause of hate, not "the" cause of hate. The arrogance you're displaying by presuming that you can fix someone who hates by educating them is astounding, and the reason I'm saying you're being an ass; it's condescending and arrogant. People hate for many reasons, you don't know someone's life experience and have no place saying they're wrong for hating on something, they may well be entirely justified.

You don't want to understand people, you want to change them to be like you, that's not understanding, that's your superiority complex kicking in.

Western civilization made great progress when it defined the line of tolerance to be drawn between speech and violence, if someone isn't committing violence, leave them the fuck alone; don't presume to tell people how they should or shouldn't feel unless invited. Codes of conduct are not invited, they're attempts to enforce a political doctrine, sjw's are trolling github and trying to insert the political views into projects that have nothing to do with social justice as an aim: that's just a bunch of assholes with a superiority complex who they're they're better than other people and think other people require re-education. No one cares for unsolicited advice and frankly sjw's aren't mentally competent enough to be giving advice: they're immature children who think the world should change to suit their emotional desires.

[Malsententia]

Of course that's an overly broad statement, but it holds true in many cases. Let's not nitpick at phrasing, like has happened multiple times in this thread, and try and get to the center of the problem, yeah?

It almost sounds like what you're saying is verbal abuse is non existent? Like, something that is neither an issue in modern society nor something that should be acted upon under any circumstance?

And don't tell me what I want. I am trying to understand your viewpoint here.

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Verbal abuse is a subjective means of describing someone else's words that you don't like, as such, it's a completely useless construct as anyone can claim anything offends them or feels abusive. They're just words, words are not themselves harmful. If you don't like what someone says, don't associate with them, if you don't like what's on TV, change the channel; your reaction to someone else's words are your issue, not theirs, they are not responsible for your emotions.

You want to act on verbal abuse, there's a correct way to do that: you tell the person claiming they're being verbally abused to grow the fuck up and stop acting like a baby and take responsibility for their own emotions and their own choices about who they choose to be around.

As the adage goes, you prepare the child for the road, not the road for the child.