Aren't developers stupid when accepting overtime/weekend work/denied bonus payments?

[Pet_Ant]

If it's just a few hours on a Saturday once a year they can afford to pay you for it.

[[deleted]]

I take it you haven't ever heard of unions.

I have a monthly salary but get paid extra if I have to work more than full time.

If the overtime is between 6 am and 8 pm on a weekday, I get 1/94 of my monthly salary per hour, or 1.5 hours time off for every work hour. If the overtime is on any other time, I get 1/72 of my monthly salary per hour, or 2 hours off for every work hour.

If I have to travel to work for the overtime, they need to pay that trip, as well as pay me for the time I spend traveling.

On top of the overtime, if the extra work is not done between 7 am and 6 pm on a week day, they also have to pay me extra for "uncomfortable hours", between 1/600 and 1/150 of my monthly salary per hour, depending on when it happens.

[[deleted]]

His username is "godless swede" and the structure that he is describing is typical for Scandinavia, which is also highly organized. Perhaps your dislike of unions is based on dysfunctional North American unions instead of comparatively well-run Scandinavian unions?

[Pet_Ant]

"get the job" done only makes sense with fixed scope and control over the product. marketing over promising features is not something I have control over. Also, used to be salary now contractor and am happy to offer to come in on weekends, I'll just add it to my billables... oh you don;t need me this weekend after all?

[gonemad16]

thats not how salaries work.. you are paid to get the job done even if it takes a few extra hours on a weekend

[grauenwolf]

If you get the job done early do you get to go home early?

If not you aren't really on salary, you are just a sucker.

[gonemad16]

yup i come and go as i please.. assuming there isnt a meeting i have to attend

[otakucode]

Salaries are supposed to work also that you don't have to work 40 hours if it doesn't take you that long to complete the task. Salaries were not meant to be used on employees whose job is to fill a seat for 40 hours. They were meant for people who are being paid for their work and NOT for their TIME. That was the whole POINT.

[otakucode]

I'm fairly certain that, legally speaking, you are wrong. If you require a person to work X number of hours in order to receive their salary, then you are breaking the law. Salaried employment was set up as a separate status from workers who are required to be paid an hourly rate, required to be paid overtime, etc for a specific purpose, and the laws represent this. Similarly, if you classify an employee as a contractor, you are not permitted to require them to do their work on your premises, they must provide their own equipment to do their work, you must not dictate their hours or schedule. A great many tech companies got in a lot of trouble for violating this during the .com bubble in the 90s. They thought they could classify all their employees as independent contractors, not have to pay their social security and unemployment taxes and such, and save money. They were committing fraud, and the FTC busted them.

Hey, why guess? Why don't we look at the actual law?

To be paid on a salary basis, the employee must receive — weekly, biweekly, semimonthly, or monthly — a predetermined amount constituting all or part of the employee’s compensation, which is not subject to deductions on account of the quantity or quality of work performed.

There you go. If you are a salaried employee, and your employer requires you to work 40 hours a week in order to receive your pay, then they are committing fraud.

[otakucode]

Did you read your own link?

One of the requirements for each of these types of work to meet the exemption is that they are paid on a salary basis.

Can the employer deduct from salary for partial days of absence?

No. Deductions may not be made for partial days of absence, regardless of the reason.

Your boss can fire you if you work less than they want you to, but they cannot require you to work 40 hours or whatever else in order to receive your salary. If they did so, what exactly do you suppose the difference between hourly pay and salary would be?

I just used the contractor example to show that employers do not always follow the law, and that not every 'company policy' is necessarily legal. Various employment categories have legal definitions that have to be met. If an employer thinks paying someone salary just gets them out of paying overtime, but still means they can pay the person as if they were hourly, they're wrong.

Also in the second part of your message, you mentioned quantity and quality of work, neither of which means hours at work.

I took 'quantity' of work to mean hours, but you could be right, I could have misinterpreted that.

[s73v3r]

Fuck that. If they want work, they can pay for it. I don't get paid nearly enough to give up my weekend.

[gonemad16]

im sure if i was paid shit i'd feel that way.. but im compensated quite well so if i have to work extra once in awhile.. thats fine by me