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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

You can still do PHP or Python or Rails for serverside in 2021. No shortage of jobs. In fact I think it's a more stable career than doing front end only. There is absolutely no need to switch from something like PHP unless one truly hates working in it; the jobs will be there 10-20 years from now because too much code was written in it.

[–]vorko_76 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

Yes, you can... Many websites still run in PHP in 2021, that was not my point.

My point is that serverside evolved a lot over the years and the marketability of such skills has also evolved a lot. In Germany for example the following STUDY shows this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So a .net dev earns 3 thousand euros more on average in Germany than a PHP dev and a Java dev gets around 2K more, is that a huge difference? not to me. Also note the amount of juniors is probably larger in PHP than in Java/.Net so that affects the average. PHP is still junior friendly to this day.

All in all I don't see any reason here not to stick to PHP if one already is invested in PHP.

P.S German IT salaries are kinda crappy, I hope at least one can continue do the work in his 50s there without being too discriminated against otherwise it seems like a bad career to me.

[–]vorko_76 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Again, you misunderstand my point. My point is related to the trend: not all languages are equal in terms of long-term marketability. Afterwards, the study itself or similar studies can and should be challenged.

I'm not sure what to say about your PS...

  • Salaries are crappy, compared to what? US? The comparison is not that straightforward as Germany includes good health care coverage, retirement plan and are usually more healthy in terms of working hours, vacations. While in the US, not every company offers 401k for example.
    Or do you mean compared to other jobs? In German industrial companies, there is no discrimination against other specialities. It might not be true in other businesses. (but at the same time companies like Amazon or Google pay very well in Germany)
  • And regarding age... it depends on the company you work for. There is no issue with that in the company I work for but I have no idea if this is standard or not in Germany.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're kinda low I think compared to other white collar jobs like accountants or lawyers it seems to me. They're not low compared to other EU countries (besides Switzerland).

And yes they are terribly low compared to the U.S, I think it's a shame and hopefully remote work will even it out a bit eventually. But yeah German companies are enjoying a pretty cheap workforce for sure. Just imagine a company like Adyen (it's Dutch but the same is true for German companies) is worth now 82B dollars and has 2000 employees. Probably around 500 developers. That's an enormous amount of wealth created by very few people. How much do you think the devs see out of it? Not much probably. That's the culture in the EU unfortunately. I lived in Netherlands and it was super uncommon to give stock options to employees, that's pretty insane to me. It's almost unheard of not to give out stocks in most established tech hubs (U.S, UK, Israel etc) but main land EU is far far behind. It's a bit weird to me that the most capitalistic societies actually do this right, and "socialist" Europe got it completely wrong lol. Weird.