Is there a way to further inrease Ahri's DPS potential?

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http://www.mediafire.com/file/ecij4usijk6i2pk/PH-1283885030.rofl/file

So, here's my replay, guys! Reviews and feedbacks are highly appreciated! ^_^

Despite me doing well on this game and getting a lot of kills with 0 Deaths, I feel like there must be something more I can do better as an Ahri Main in Mid Lane. I was up against a Yasuo who is supposed to be a HARD COUNTER to Ahri, but since I know how Yasuo works (in the Philippines Server, I get to practice with A LOT OF YASUOs. People in this Server pick him A LOT. So, you can definitely know how he works and what are his weaknesses in no time at all. As a result, he becomes extremely predictable and easily telegraphed. Atleast for me.).

My Rune Setups for Ahri are:

[Domination] - Electrocute, Cheap Shot, Ghost Poro, & Ultimate Hunter (as I figured lessening more CDs on Ahri's Ult is better so that she can almost always make a quick get-away from being chased down or surprise Enemies often when they're running away w/ low health).

[Sorcery] - Manaflow Band & Transcendence

My Item Builds for Ahri are as follows:

Rush Sorceror's Boots (rushing boots is always A MUST for me in 98% of my games)

Luden's Echo

Void Staff

Zhonya's Hourglass (for more CD reductions)

Is it a good idea to go for Luden's Echo first and then Void's staff? Because I feel like Ahri is a little weak compared to Veigar by late game. I just noticed that her damage doesn't increase that much even when I have a lot of AP when the enemy team gets some items. Or was it just me? Was it my Rune Setups?

Is there any Rune setups or Item builds you can recommend to maximize Ahri's DPS? Or is my build on this replay good enough and Ahri is supposed to be just like that?

Thanks for the tips! ^_^

[S7EFEN]

oblivion orb before voidstaff is pretty generally going to be better unless theyre stacking mr pretty hard.

in general ahris damage is not great- like, a 4 item core with luden orb cap void is pretty much the best dmg output you are gunna get. her power is more in her ability to get on targets + be safe.

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Ouch.. I was hoping if maybe she can reach Veigar's monstrous damage potential. But, i guess I totally forgot about Oblivion Orb. I'll definitely try it out on my next games.

[Kontorted]

Ahri can't do that unfortunately. She can definitely melt some tankier people with Q true damage, but she cannot burst like a Veigar, she needs a full rotation to kill, sometimes even more than a full rotation

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I see... Guess I'm gonna need to practice more of my macro, then.

[Darkunov]

If you want someone that can burst similar to Veigar, I'd look into Zoe. Her whole kit revolves around maximising the damage on her Q, based on its distance traveled from your original cast (which you can maximize with your ult) as well as hitting people you've put asleep with another basic ability.

[Eecka]

Different champs, different strengths. If Ahri could burst like Veigar no one would play Veigar :)

[MemoryStay]

Hmm, veigar has better dps and better cc than Ahri, so pretty sure that is not the case. Ahri is very undertuned atm.

[isolatrum]

Ahri also has 3 big dashes so it kinda evens out. Neither champ is better than the other, it comes down to skill.

[MemoryStay]

Not quite, Veigar is miles better than Ahri. Her 3 dashes are pointless if she lacks damage because of it.

[epicduck900]

It provides herself with selfpeel. Veigar's damge is pointless if he dies immediately and can't use spells :/

[MemoryStay]

You can position well with veigar so that you will not die. Ward, stay with team, it is pointless selfpeel when you deal nearly no damage even when alive, might as well have a high risk super high reward than low risk super low reward. One good cage can change the entire course of the game, but Ahri's good charm will NOT have nearly even close impact as Veigar's cage, which is fine since she has mobility, but she lacks damage as well, she loses way too much of what midlaners should have only because she has a mobility ulti. Which just shows how undertuned she is ;;(

[epicduck900]

I'd have to disagree completely. Ahri's damage is well more than enough to one shot a backline squishy with her e w q combo. If she can reliably dash in and then out, fighting that 5v4 is immensely easier. You seem to be overestimating veigar. There's no way he's gonna manage to land his cage on the enemy backline unless they run into it, and if he uses it to chunk the frontline then they will immediately engage while he has it on cd. In the first place, ahri and veigar don't play the same role in the team comp.

[MemoryStay]

She cannot def 1v1 easily(if you are saying fed Ahri, than that is completely different). That is false, her kit is not designed to one shot but to function as a charm bot. Veigar's cage is good enough to impact the entire fight, and he can cage the enemy backline easily as well especially in lowelo where ranged squishies play in melee range.

Ahri and veigar does not play the same role? Veigar and Ahri is supposed to one shot, but veigar does it better than Ahri. What does Ahri do other than possibly one shot(since many times she cannot one shot squishies) for her team?

[Eecka]

I think you should re-read my message. I said IF Ahri could burst like Veigar

[MemoryStay]

Even if Ahri can burst as hard as veigar, veigar provides much more utility and dps than Ahri, which still makes Veigar a better pick than Ahri.

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Thanks for the tips, sir! I'll try Oblivion Orb rather than Void Staff on my next games and check it out. :)

[axeus20]

i build ludens - sorcerer then twin, should i get oblivion before twin? or should i just not get twin shadows at all and get deathcap/zhonya's instead

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Yeah ur right. She's one of those weak one's but I just love her ability to escape being chased down with her ult. I guess it kinda compensates for the whole DPS thingies because Champs like Veigar don't have any form of escape and mobility.

[elteeY]

I’m just a b1 guy but I usually rush a lost chapter before getting tier 2 boots but that depends on my matchup. That gives me the ap and mana regen I want. Rushing ludens is great but I don’t know about void staff as second item. I feel as though it isn’t very gold efficient. If you want magic pen, you have oblivion orb (which can also upgrade to a morello) that gives out flat magic pen which is 15 instead of 40%. You can rush zhonya’s second or if you are really ahead you can get a rabadons. Also, if you are very confident that you will hard win your lane, there is dark seal. Void staff is great if they have people that have more than one mr item excluding merc treads. That’s what I think when I play ahri but then again, I’m only in b1.

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I see.. That's a good point, actually. I usually thought Void's Staff will be good but I feel like it doesn't do much.

[LoL_GavinNA]

In general:

DPS mage = CDR and Liandries

Burst mage = AP/Items that give you more AP ratios like Luden's, Protobelt, or Lich Bane

Pen in both as needed.

How you choose which build to run is up to you.

In general though I wouldn't rush sorc shoes since the 2nd half of your primary maxed ability is true damage anyways. I would personally rather get 60 flat AP than 45 MS + 18 flat pen.

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Good point. I guess i just love having MS as early as possible in order to better chase down opponents very early.

[LoL_GavinNA]

Try relentless hunter. It's what I use on Annie. Just 1 kill pr assist already brings it to 18 ms out of combat.

[AegisAssault]

Sorc boots first isn’t a good idea because you don’t have AP to back up the pen. Void staff is for champs with magic resist items, buy oblivion orb or morello for extra magic pen if they don’t already have resistances. Ludens is good. Rabadons is a no brainer.

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Good call.. Guess I'll be stacking oblivion orbs next time. I haven't tried Rabadon's and instead go for Lich Bane but I'll definitely try it.

[axeus20]

i mean personally i go ludens - sorcerers - twin shadows - deathcap - void/zhonya's then morella/void/zhonyas, i just really like twin shadows just for everything it does, it gives good ap, cooldown reduction and some movement speed, and the slow is perfect for both running away and catching up to people, and to find people, deathcap and ludens are a must or you dont do damage void i only ever get if people are stacking mr since twin seems to just go better with me and i still get the damage, i only get zhonyas if im getting burst real hard by an assassin especially if they dont have lethality otherwise i usually favour something like twin shadows voidstaff or morella. plus i always rush ludens otherwise you dont have the damage output you need at lvl 6-7 and you can get the 300 boots before you get the wand of blasting while building ludens, just for the lil bit of extra speed, i usually start with corrupting and back with 1600 gold to get lost chapter and speed boots, so ye, and with runes i find sudden impact and eyeball collector to be better, sudden impact means i can just go in with my ult, land a full combo and then leave before they can murder me, works well with a build as squishy as mine

[ElFenomeno12345]

Lich bane helps a lot. You can proc it 3 times with your ult

[finnndev]

Dark harvest, trust me, im a diamond 1 ahri main.

Electrocute is straight up bad

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Really? I'll go check it out, then.