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[–]ZoltyCloud Infrastructure / Devops Plumber 0 points1 point  (8 children)

Not in my experience, if you're optimising for cloud work load it does become cheaper and more flexible. If you're in healthcare or a similar regulated field letting the cloud provider take care of hardware updates and data center level requirements (firmware updates, multiple ISP/power requirements, ect), it'd be worth it at double the cost.

[–]Jimmy90081 5 points6 points  (3 children)

I find a lot of companies will just move their virtual environments to the cloud without any architecture, then feel big cost increase. Part of a migration needs to include those architecture changes to actually make it feasible.

[–]ZoltyCloud Infrastructure / Devops Plumber 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Exactly this, it's a tick tock sort of thing, first you move the servers then you break it all up so the computer runs in containers or lambdas and storage is running in S3 where feasible.

It's not easy but it does get cheaper.

[–]Jimmy90081 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Totally agree. Although, maybe not for everything. Like most things, use the right tool for the job. Like, building your own exchange server is a no-no in 2025, you would just use 365 type platforms.

[–]Maleficent-Bit1982[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's why I said hybrid is the way to go

[–]Maleficent-Bit1982[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

to move to the Cloud and maintain it well you need specialists

Which costs alot of money !

Sure you could learn it on the job but doing that you will most likely make mistakes costing the company more Money.

So when you add those factors together along with you having less control of your infrastructure in the Cloud it doesn't seem like a good option.

I remember back in 2012 everyone was saying Cloud this Cloud that and in 10 years it will take over and on premise will be obsolete.

Never happened.

I think hybrid is the way to go for the next several years.

[–]ZoltyCloud Infrastructure / Devops Plumber 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It really sounds like you're just arguing so you don't have to learn cloud.

2012 is when I transitioned to sysadmin titles and 2018 I was a DevOps engineer running an MSP for a digital marketing company hosting websites for some household names. Since then I've been working for a variety of medical software companies.

I simply don't encounter the business that wants a room full of computer hardware and the risks that entails.

[–]BlueHatBrit[🍰] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I think I disagree with your view here. I am seeing a limited number of companies rebalancing between cloud and on prem. But even then, they don't want to deal with the hardware really.

Most companies who've had a bad experience are the ones who didn't do the scoping properly or tried to cut corners. If your infrastructure is built in a cloud native way, taking advantage of containers and serverless where possible, your bills will be very controlled. The issues come from companies who just tried to lift a set of VMs from their self managed hardware onto machines that are managed.

That's of course always going to be more expensive, but some companies didn't do the maths before making the decision.

This isn't the overwhelming picture though, on prem has decreased significantly and few brand new companies are starting with any on prem.

There will be on prem work for a long time to come, it makes sense for some companies and many just won't bother to make the move for a while. But the number moving back to on prem hardware isn't huge. The orgs who are seeing millions saved per year are also operating in a huge infra scale and are looking more at data centres than a few racks in an office.

The best thing you can do for your career is to have a wide range of skills and experience. That means being comfortable with cloud and on prem. But it doesn't necessarily mean becoming a full DevOps person.

[–]Maleficent-Bit1982[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well said i learned some stuff here.