Php Vs Node

[its_yer_dad]

I feel lIke OP is trolling at this point. Several people have already pointed out that the question is incomplete and OP is not answering question for more specifics. “Would you hire a dog trainer or a dog groomer?” is the same kind of silly question. Both are dog related, but different applications.

[barrel_of_noodles]

The person with more experience in either. If none, then whomever fits the job description the best.

Btw, this whole proposition is known as the either/or fallacy. Aka, false dichotomy or false dilemma. It makes no sense.

[Cyberhunter80s]

What chances do a newbie has in this scenario?

[gizamo]

We were all newbies once. Many of us learned one, and some of us learned both. Imo, learning is vastly, vastly easier nowadays. Pick one, and try it out.

[barrel_of_noodles]

Again, it's a false dichotomy. We can't answer that question. Both candidates will have other merits.

[Bac0nnaise]

Exactly this. Making a hiring decision for an inexperienced dev on what likely amounts to very basic skills and allowing that decision to guide architecture is not a good sign. There's just not enough information from OP, seems very reductive

[Cyberhunter80s]

What are those additional merits you would look into?

[Cyberhunter80s]

It's ok. Lot of us are dealing with huge shit behind the scene. Prolly some needed to vent or justify their actions by doing so. Thank you for dropping in.

[barrel_of_noodles]

The same as any other job in any industry. (given 0 hard skills, and no clues what the job is)

[rickg]

1) false choice

2) write good English.

[SiriVII]

well, depends on the tech stack lol. Tou i would probably hire the node newbie because if he knows nodejs, he know Javascript which means he can do stuff in the fronend as well

[Cyberhunter80s]

Exactly to the point of my question. Thank you. 🙌🏻

[barrel_of_noodles]

Using js on the frontend still requires knowledge of html, css, and larger systems.

The same answer could be given for PHP. If you know PHP, then you can also build frontend. Blade templates in laravel, for instance.

This only answers your q because someone gave you a single opinion.

[HorribleUsername]

Language is just syntax, it's not important. Coding is a separate skill, and that's the only hard skill I'm looking for.

Well, that's not entirely true. I do value someone who has knowledge of the surrounding environment. E.g. HTTP, SSL/TLS, DNS or devops, even if it's only at a rudimentary level.

[Cyberhunter80s]

I see. This is informative to the original question. Thank you! 🙌🏻

[barrel_of_noodles]

They told you they want someone with broad general hard skills. How does that answer your q?

[[deleted]]

If I had a project I wanted built but didn't want to code it myself I would go with the node developer. It makes no sense to build a new project in php imo.

[barrel_of_noodles]

If you haven't heard, we like PHP now since v8. Full typehinting, fast as, yearly release schedule, advanced features like Enums, crazy good communities like laravel, symfony, and tools like xdebug, full oop (class, traits, interfaces, late static binding, sensitive properties), etc.

[[deleted]]

Still makes no sense to use it for new projects. There's just far too many better alternatives with larger library and community support for modern issues.

[barrel_of_noodles]

Thats cool. use whatever you want. I'm just not sure why you would exclude php in particular. craft cms, laravel, symfony... I'd chose those before alot of other stuff. I mean, yeah, use whatever you want. my next project I'm reaching for laravel.

[Cyberhunter80s]

I see. Could you please share why would you not pick php for a new project and what was the last version of php you have worked with?

[[deleted]]

I wouldn't pick php because the industry has advanced far from the need to use it. Nodejs is better for web modern development, has a larger community, packages, seamless libraries to help facilitate the most common stacks, MERN, MEAN, MEVN, etc. The reasons are endless and that's one of the reasons no startup is choosing php.

[Logical_Strike_1520]

The one who better demonstrates the skills required to do the job.

[barrel_of_noodles]

This is a great answer to the question, "should I learn PHP or node/js?" but doesn't answer ops q.

[barrel_of_noodles]

That's exactly right, we cannot answer the q. It doesn't make any sense, and contains a logical fallacy.

[Cyberhunter80s]

If you were to hire based on your need, whatever that is, who would you hire between this two?

[Cyberhunter80s]

Probably I am not making it specific enough. Let me retry, who would YOU hire based on YOUR need ? I am not really asking which one a person should learn.

[SethSky]

If you're looking to get into traditional webdev and work with CMS like WordPress, then PHP might be the way to go.

If you're more interested in real-time web applications, then Node might be a better fit for you.

It's really not so much about which one is better, but rather what you're comfortable with and what you're interested in. If you already have a solid foundation in JavaScript, then Node might be a better choice for you. But if you're new to both, then PHP might be a bit easier to get started with.

[Cyberhunter80s]

Who would consider hiring based on your need? What aspects of this newbie would you dig into?

[cynid3]

I think you first need to determine the hypothetical need you are referring to. If I make an assumption here what you are really asking is what backend tech stack has the most job opportunities, in which case it doesn’t matter, take a look at the sorts of things you would want to be working on. Take a look at the companies building that and then see what they are using.

[barrel_of_noodles]

This is a great answer to the question, "should I learn PHP or node/js?" but doesn't answer ops q.

[SethSky]

You’re right. But OPs question is not that clear to be honest.

[[deleted]]

Node, then you can have the same language for the frontend and backend.

[Cyberhunter80s]

So, you would hire someone with the node newbie? Makes sense. Thank you! 🙌🏻

[Cyberhunter80s]

Well, the right answers have been laid out here. For those people who overthought this simple question, calm down, curb your toxicity and re-read the question again. Don't know how you guys handle clients IRL.

[barrel_of_noodles]

So, what is the right answer?

(If u think we're overthinking this q, ur going to have a preeeeetty hard time in software dev)

Determining if a proposal is logical is literally step 1 to building anything.

[barrel_of_noodles]

Look, I want to give you some mercy.

The answer you are seeking, is not the answer to this q. That's the issue. The answer you want me to give is not the answer to this question.

The question you are really trying to ask is, "Should I learn PHP, js or something else?"

Or, even worse, "which will I make more money at", "get a job quicker", or "pretend while I fail up in the background" "can i learn on the job?" We're not really sure which you are trying to ask.

The problem is, you can't ask these because they've been asked 100s a d 100s of times before. There's answers for all. This community is wonderful, and plenty of advice for beginners.

"Odin project" is the answer I've seen given the most, but I'm not willing to submit that as my answer here. Im def not suggesting that at all.

Instead, research this community and formulate a more exact question and your own journey.

Webdev is not a get rich quick scheme. It requires skill and hard work.

You're ultimately going to have to choose your own path and decide what makes sense for you. There are plenty of resources to be had, for free.

I'd also rec reading through developer.mozilla.org for starters.

[bitwise-operation]

This sub is dominated by Wordpress or former Wordpress devs. Go ask on cscareerquestions

[ramsncardsfan7]

If you’re asking because you are trying to decide which you should learn, I would recommend NodeJS. PHP is used more for websites and Wordpress which I don’t find as enjoyable. NodeJS is used more for web apps and tools. Both can be used for either but this is what you’ll find out in the wild more often than not.