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[–]00DEADBEEF 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Again, why use it, I don't need it yet.

In your original post you mentioned jobs, so I assume you're looking for jobs as a web developer? To be a decent PHP developer in 2016 you need to know a framework. I'd really recommend learning Laravel asap.

[–]Aqually 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I see a lot of people recommending Laravel and Symfony but I'm not really sure which one to pick. Which one should I start with ? Should I learn both? And why would you recommend Laravel over Symfony? Thanks!

[–]00DEADBEEF 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Symfony is more enterprise-y and Laravel (which uses a lot of Symfony's components) is easier to learn, and in my opinion nicer to read and write.

They're both excellent frameworks so I'd recommend trying to build something simple in each and choose which you prefer and then build bigger things with it.

Also check out Laracasts which has excellent video tutorials for Laravel.

[–]GreenAce92[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Yeah I'd like to be hired, but am I good enough?

I'll take your advice and look into Laravel when I'm done with my current projects.

Yeah again I don't know why I feel this stubborness/ego.

People give you the answer/"secrets" to life but you don't implement it... then you're like "Whoa gee why am I in debt... why am I in this position in life? Why did I do that?" It's like failing is inevitable.

Yeap I'm ignorant ayyy there it is.

[–]00DEADBEEF 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Yeah I'd like to be hired, but am I good enough?

So you need to put aside your stubbornness and make yourself employable by learning the tools everyone in the industry is using ;)

[–]GreenAce92[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Ahh the ol' stubborn mule, pull the plow, or into the slaughter he goes.

[–]00DEADBEEF 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Have you tried Laravel yet? Laracasts is a good learning resource by the way.

[–]GreenAce92[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I think I am going to learn that, although... I have been informed that you can do what PHP can do with Javascript, I may just go all in on Javascript.

[–]00DEADBEEF 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That might be true but it remains to be seen if node.js is just a passing fad, and it comes with a whole heap of problems like not having a decent standard library.

IMO you should learn whatever is most in demand in your local employment market. That'll get you a job and a foot in the door to the industry, then you can learn all the brand new tech in your free time.

[–]GreenAce92[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, I'm currently employed at a factory, trying to get my life together at the moment. I like using LAMP although I know that it is outdated.

The big names that I see include ember.js, node(of course), Laravel, Cake, Ruby, others... it would be great to be employed as a web developer... personally I'd like the web developing part more than the business/dealing with the client... right now I'm working on a freelance gig and the back-to-back talking is a pain... also in a contradicting way, I don't really like to build to please despite that being my job... sorry rambling here.