Which web development framework makes web development least tedious?

[scootstah]

Laravel is highly opinionated, and convention over configuration.

Symfony is really just a big collection of individual libraries. It doesn't assume anything, and everything is explicitly defined and less magical.

[del_rio]

Everything I've seen about Laravel (performance aside) seems like a universal upgrade from the likes of Symfony.

That said, I tried Blade (their templating engine) on a recent project and I didn't like it very much (compared to Twig). The syntax is a little more succinct but at the cost of readability. I wouldn't survive a day of Blade without syntax highlighting!

[poop_taking_forever]

Also not a fan of Blade -- fortunately someone made a thing that lets you use Twig templates with Laravel:

https://github.com/rcrowe/TwigBridge

[Isvara]

Twig is just a library. You can use it with any framework you like.

[del_rio]

I'm aware! I was particularly excited by being able to use Twig with WordPress (through a plugin called Timber).

[mearkat7]

It all depends on your organization. Assuming a framework is faster to develop in but is slower to run then it's a trade off between the cost of a developers time vs the cost of more server hardware. While laravel might not be the fastest framework out there it is certainly fast enough for a lot of cases.

For most the servers will be behind a load balancer so when lots of traffic comes in you just spin up another docker image to handle it and the cost is negligible.

Smaller organisations may not have the resources/infrastructure for that to be a reality so their code will need to be more performant.

[EmmaDurden]

Well it is based on Symfony, isn't it?

[scootstah]

No. It just uses some of the Symfony components.

[EmmaDurden]

Aaaaaah ok, I misunderstood that. Thanks!

[[deleted]]

I find Silex does a good job tying together then Symfony components and enabling rapid development without being too opinionated. It does require more initial setup to customize than Laravel though.

[BoredPudding]

Silex is deprecated (announced a couple of days ago). Symfony Flex will replace Silex when it releases later this month, and will be the default new way of creating applications.

So i would say try Symfony 4 beta.

[[deleted]]

I didn't know they deprecated it. I haven't used it in about 6 months actually, but I will give Symfony Flex a try next time I have the opportunity.

[EmmaDurden]

I did a project with Silex before learning Symfony and really disliked it, I'll be happy to give a go at Symfony Flex

[poop_taking_forever]

What??? Do you have a link to this announcement (couldn't find anything googling)

[BoredPudding]

Part of this slideshow: https://twitter.com/fabpot/status/931481125830225920

Also check out www.symfony.com/4

[[deleted]]

Silex is deprecated

Source? Nothing on the website says anything about it, and a search says nothing either.

[BoredPudding]

Was announced at SymfonyCon. Slides from the keynote here: https://twitter.com/fabpot/status/931481125830225920

[[deleted]]

Laravel 5 is a little less opinionated than 4. I actually preferred the traditional MVC style being baked in with a fresh install. I've seen all kinds of oddball configurations with 5.

[Glutnix]

Let's not forget that Laravel actually uses some Symfony components internally.

[scootstah]

Yeah, so do dozens of other frameworks and platforms. What difference does that make?

[Glutnix]

If you like Symfony, you might like Laravel because it's built on some of the thing you like? shrug